Bedding my howa 1500. Original bedding was soft and tacky

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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by Kelsey Cooter » 28 Nov 2018, 8:57 pm

Your a legend grandad thanks for your help
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by bigrich » 29 Nov 2018, 5:05 am

I’ve used brownells “acraglass “ and it works a treat. Do a search on YouTube and watch a few videos before you have a go. Pay special attention to removing any burs to the action in the area your bedding, and application and type of release agents. I did everything right on my model 70 Winchester and it was still a pain to get the action out of the stock after it had set. The best thing for getting gun oil of the action was humble old metho. The supplied release agent in the kit wouldn’t go on properly before that, and I used all sorts of grease remover. Carnuba wax is a good release agent as well. Hope some of this helps, cheers
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by marksman » 29 Nov 2018, 9:01 am

no bedding compound is not meant to be soft and tacky
in the past I have re-bedded rifles that the bedding went like a chewing gum, some of the materials were commercial name brand bedding compounds

pay special attention to the flat sides of your action as they need to be relived with tape to stop pinching that will cause inconsistent return to battery
your recoil lug needs to be tapped on the front/bottom and the sides leaving the rear clean
where there is a right angle/ 90 degree in the action you need to round off the inside corner with a small layer of play doe so that when you pull the job apart the edge is clean and not broken, it also stops broken material from stopping the action from seating properly if you scrape some when fitting
tape a thickness of tape on the barrel at the fore end to give the right height for the action to fit the stock
just take your time and think about the job as you go, dont use a quick drying compound, epoxy is best and dont use clamps to pull the job down
tape all the edges that compound may come out of onto the stock and clean with qtips, if you use devcon qtips dipped in water
it's not that scary after the first one I promise :allegedly: :drinks:
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by Kelsey Cooter » 29 Nov 2018, 9:17 pm

marksman wrote:no bedding compound is not meant to be soft and tacky
in the past I have re-bedded rifles that the bedding went like a chewing gum, some of the materials were commercial name brand bedding compounds

pay special attention to the flat sides of your action as they need to be relived with tape to stop pinching that will cause inconsistent return to battery
your recoil lug needs to be tapped on the front/bottom and the sides leaving the rear clean
where there is a right angle/ 90 degree in the action you need to round off the inside corner with a small layer of play doe so that when you pull the job apart the edge is clean and not broken, it also stops broken material from stopping the action from seating properly if you scrape some when fitting
tape a thickness of tape on the barrel at the fore end to give the right height for the action to fit the stock
just take your time and think about the job as you go, dont use a quick drying compound, epoxy is best and dont use clamps to pull the job down
tape all the edges that compound may come out of onto the stock and clean with qtips, if you use devcon qtips dipped in water
it's not that scary after the first one I promise :allegedly: :drinks:



Cheers marksman, why do you tape the front, sides and bottom of the recoil lug? With the front of the lug on that angle wouldn't it still come away from the bedded stock easily?
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by bigrich » 30 Nov 2018, 4:42 am

I don’t tape around the recoil lug areas myself, creating a bit of clearance with the bedding compound after you remove the tape sorta defeats the point of bedding. Ask ten tradesmen how to do something, you’ll get ten slightly different answers. Use google and YouTube to research bedding, and after you’ve read a lot of information on the subject, decide what’s right for you. Cheers
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by bigrich » 30 Nov 2018, 4:48 am

Actually, what I did do after my bedding job was get out the four inch grinder with a sanding disc and round the edges slightly on the recoil lug. Makes it a little easier to get everything to go back together without creating any slop or clearance. Each to their own. Cheers
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by sungazer » 30 Nov 2018, 8:54 am

you need clearance on the bottom so the action can pull down. Also you dont want the recoil lug bouncing of the bottom or anywhere really. For a lot of actions pillars are enough. As there can often not be much other surface area on the bottom of the action when you take into account the trigger group and big whole for the mag. I like to pull down the action firmly once in the bedding compound. It can take a lot to force it out of the way and up and out of the gaps you have left. You dont want the action sitting really high.
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by bigrich » 30 Nov 2018, 11:15 am

I took a couple of mm of timber out of the stock where I was bedding as well, just so the bedding compound wasn’t too thin
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by marksman » 30 Nov 2018, 1:07 pm

Kelsey Cooter wrote:Cheers marksman, why do you tape the front, sides and bottom of the recoil lug? With the front of the lug on that angle wouldn't it still come away from the bedded stock easily?


you do it to stop pinching within the action and stock when the rifle recoils so the action returns to battery the same every time
the rear of the recoil lug and the flat bottom of the action is the only thing that should be tight onto the bedding

some people believe its a waste of time as the action and stock are put together very tight and wont move
but have a look under actions that are set up on v-block bedding eg.. aluminium bedding blocks and the actions will have two lines running down the bottom of the action from movement, that is also why you relive the side's of the action if they are flat, fill in depressions with play doe and as already said smooth out burrs ect so that the action moves straight back and forwards while recoiling without being stuck

the only time IMHO that you don't relive the flat areas on the sides of actions or the recoil lug is if you are gluing the action into the stock :thumbsup:
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by bigrich » 30 Nov 2018, 1:50 pm

I should have been more specific in my case for this discussion, I’ve only bedded around the front recoil lug and up the sides of the action just in that front area, and around the back tang. I Haven’t fully bedded my actions, I understand where you’re coming from with relieving the sides now MM. in both my model 70 Winchester’s just bedding the front and rear has been all that was needed to have very accurate hunting rifles
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by tom604 » 30 Nov 2018, 4:53 pm

bedding soft and tacky ???? too much gun porn ????? ;) ;) :silent: :thumbsup:
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by marksman » 01 Dec 2018, 11:26 am

bigrich wrote:I should have been more specific in my case for this discussion, I’ve only bedded around the front recoil lug and up the sides of the action just in that front area, and around the back tang. I Haven’t fully bedded my actions, I understand where you’re coming from with relieving the sides now MM. in both my model 70 Winchester’s just bedding the front and rear has been all that was needed to have very accurate hunting rifles


you are supposed to relieve the rear of the tang as well bigrich so the action is guaranteed to be on the rear of the recoil lug :drinks:
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by Kelsey Cooter » 10 Dec 2018, 7:05 am

How much material to you blokes remove when getting the stock ready for the devcon? A mate told me I want the devcon to be at least 2mm thick. And should I leave a strip of original material behind the the recoil lug for staying the same height?
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by marksman » 10 Dec 2018, 7:33 am

good advise :drinks:
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by Kelsey Cooter » 11 Dec 2018, 7:55 am

Bedded the rifle last night. I feel like it went well, only things I was a bit concerned about was if I didn't use enough devcon or if its going to be bubbly. Am I able to skim a bit of devcon and bed again if either happen? Or will I need to start again?
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by Wm.Traynor » 11 Dec 2018, 12:18 pm

IMO
Not enough Devcon will look like the surface has an irregular, "pothole".
As for bubbles, you will only know if you see one on the surface of the Devcon. You can try to fill a pothole after scratching it up a bit but you risk over-filling. Too little might be the way to go. If you see a bubble, dig down to the wood and try again.
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by marksman » 11 Dec 2018, 6:15 pm

better to start all over I'm afraid
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by Kelsey Cooter » 11 Dec 2018, 7:13 pm

I separated the action from the stock tonight, there is a thin layer of devcon between the contact surface of the recoil block and the alloy. Am i right to scrape that devcon out?
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