.17 Remington Project Rifle

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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by GQshayne » 12 Oct 2019, 7:40 pm

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Here is the target that has the 3 shot group on it. The other holes were load variations, that were obviously not as good! Not bad for a sporter in less than ideal wind conditions. And I am not much of a target shooter either. So having achieved that group that is the job done for me. Hopefully when fitted to the new stock it will shoot the same.
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by GQshayne » 12 Oct 2019, 7:52 pm

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First job was to do a bit of inletting, and then bed the new stock to the barrel and action. But the previous stock owner had refinished it at some stage, and the inside had a good coat of what I suspect was Tru Oil. So I figured it had to go first, so I stripped the stock fully, which I was going to do eventually anyway. It was an ok job, but it could be better.

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Given the stocks were bot short action stocks I expected them to be the same, and that it would fit straight away, but that was not the case. More work then I expected, but it the end it fits nicely.

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This is my bedding method, using JB Weld. No doubt there are other opinions on how it should be done, but for a sporter I think this is ok.
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by AZZA'S HJ47 » 13 Oct 2019, 1:17 pm

Have done the same thing with a howa 308 and the difference it made was amazing
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by Stix » 13 Oct 2019, 1:29 pm

Love that stock GQshayne... :thumbsup:
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by GQshayne » 13 Oct 2019, 7:07 pm

AZZA'S HJ47 wrote:Have done the same thing with a howa 308 and the difference it made was amazing


When I was researching how to DIY bedding for my last job, I saw a lot of guys doing BIG jobs - either pillars or the entire action filled with epoxy. And then I came across an older gent in his gunsmithing shop, who showed the above method, and explained why he did it this way. He said that if it is fixed at the front and fixed at the rear, then filling the middle with epoxy did not achieve anything. To illustrate his point, he showed a factory bedding job on a high grade rifle - this is how the factory did it. On a sporter rather than a benchrest rifle I reckoned that was good enough for me. The previous stock on this rifle was bedded the exact same way by a previous owner or gunsmith.
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by GQshayne » 13 Oct 2019, 7:21 pm

Stix wrote:Love that stock GQshayne... :thumbsup:


It is quite good. Not quite as nice as my other Tikka Deluxe, but still very good. They are all individual of course. The general condition is good too. The few dents and scratches I can fix. And a bit better finish on it will be good. Previous job looked to be Tru Oil done exactly as per instructions, which I have found to give an "ok" result. I saw it done on YouTube by many others, and my first efforts turned out not much better. But there is nothing wrong with the product, it is just the application. I have done 3 stocks with it now, and a slightly different method in applying it makes a big difference in the result. I tried using a "rubbed" method, basically applying it like car polish, which other products use - put it on with a soft cloth and rub until dry and then move on, but the Tru Oil did not like that at all! It went sticky almost straight away and just smeared and streaked. No good. But using the soft cloth as an applicator give a much smoother finish, so the trick was just apply it lightly and not rub it. Light coats applied with a cloth give a finish with very good even coverage and no lumps or bumps, and no build up in the chequering.
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by marksman » 13 Oct 2019, 7:35 pm

GQshayne wrote:
AZZA'S HJ47 wrote:Have done the same thing with a howa 308 and the difference it made was amazing


When I was researching how to DIY bedding for my last job, I saw a lot of guys doing BIG jobs - either pillars or the entire action filled with epoxy. And then I came across an older gent in his gunsmithing shop, who showed the above method, and explained why he did it this way. He said that if it is fixed at the front and fixed at the rear, then filling the middle with epoxy did not achieve anything. To illustrate his point, he showed a factory bedding job on a high grade rifle - this is how the factory did it. On a sporter rather than a benchrest rifle I reckoned that was good enough for me. The previous stock on this rifle was bedded the exact same way by a previous owner or gunsmith.


very good advice and your bedding job looks very good
if like with mauser 98's the rear tang has a piller from factory or you put one in yourself there is no need to bed the tang unless the fit is not a good one
IMHO you are doing a great job with the rifle and the barrel has come up in good order
that 3 shot group is all you need :thumbsup: :drinks:
good on you for having a crack at it :thumbsup:
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by GQshayne » 13 Oct 2019, 7:43 pm

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A bit of touching up with the stripper was needed. Interesting the previous finish did not bubble up like I have seen previously. Strange.

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My new Ryobi linisher. Handy for this job.

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This is a Limbsaver "grind to fit" recoil pad. With common rifles you can buy pads that fit perfectly, but not for mine. This pad gives a very nice result, just a lot more work! :problem: I have used one before, so knew what I was up for, hence the linisher. I used a different method this time, and ground it to shape when fitted to the stock. Obviously you have to be very careful this way, but getting the profile to match the stock is much easier. So slow and steady is the go. I needed a 220-240 belt to finish it, but only found a 120 at Bunnings, so I had to finish it off by hand. More work! :crazy:

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Recoil pad turned out well, so now on to the stock. After a light sand a good steaming, it came up pretty clean. A few dings in it were able to be removed, so now it will need sanding with various grades of paper and then finished off with 0000 steel wool before the Tru Oil can be applied. Some time consuming work now, to be done when time permits.
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by GQshayne » 13 Oct 2019, 7:45 pm

marksman wrote:
GQshayne wrote:
AZZA'S HJ47 wrote:Have done the same thing with a howa 308 and the difference it made was amazing


When I was researching how to DIY bedding for my last job, I saw a lot of guys doing BIG jobs - either pillars or the entire action filled with epoxy. And then I came across an older gent in his gunsmithing shop, who showed the above method, and explained why he did it this way. He said that if it is fixed at the front and fixed at the rear, then filling the middle with epoxy did not achieve anything. To illustrate his point, he showed a factory bedding job on a high grade rifle - this is how the factory did it. On a sporter rather than a benchrest rifle I reckoned that was good enough for me. The previous stock on this rifle was bedded the exact same way by a previous owner or gunsmith.


very good advice and your bedding job looks very good
if like with mauser 98's the rear tang has a piller from factory or you put one in yourself there is no need to bed the tang unless the fit is not a good one
IMHO you are doing a great job with the rifle and the barrel has come up in good order
that 3 shot group is all you need :thumbsup: :drinks:
good on you for having a crack at it :thumbsup:


Thanks Marksman - so far so good! :drinks:
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by GQshayne » 21 Oct 2019, 8:11 pm

Stock has had a lot of work, and is now getting the final coats of oil. Looking good I reckon.

But there is one problem that I am yet to fix. I am not liking the factory bolt knob.

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Here is my LSA55 bolt, which is much better. It is one piece, where the M55 has the plastic knob that screws on.

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So the plastic knob needs to be deposited in the rubbish bin, and a nice replacement fitted instead. Some googling turned up nothing I wanted to fit, so I will have to make something. Hopefully, whatever I make wont end up in the bin as well. :roll:
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by GQshayne » 27 Oct 2019, 7:09 pm

Commencement of custom made handles (two). I made a prototype as an experiment to see what I could do, with what tools I have - no lathe. So it has to be done by hand. So that rules out a couple of ideas, as they were too hard to make. Prototype was ok, so Dad asked me to make him one as well. Having decided on a method, I am using an old gidgee fence post as the donor for the timber. It is prevalent in the west where I learned to hunt as a boy, so I have preferred it to something else for sentimental reasons. I think also it will look good, as it is as hard as stone and has a very tight dark grain.

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In order to have a thread in it, I have filled a hole with JB Weld, so that it can be drilled and tapped to suit the bolt handle.

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So far two prototypes are going in the bin, but the other two are looking good so far. Ready for oiling now.
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by marksman » 27 Oct 2019, 7:40 pm

very clever :thumbsup:
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by GQshayne » 28 Oct 2019, 9:20 pm

marksman wrote:very clever :thumbsup:


Thanks. I had a look to try and just buy one, but I am not keen on the "tactical" style of stuff which is most of what I saw for sale. None of it was any better than the plastic knob I wanted to replace. :problem:

And then I spotted a Blaser timber bolt handle. I did not see another one on any other brand of rifle at all, but of course many owners would have done it, I just did not see one with my googling. Without a lathe at my disposal, I had to think about what I could make too, so steel was out. But timber was a good idea I thought, so a dark piece of hardwood to match the grip cap etc on the stock would suit. In looking for a suitable piece of timber, I remembered the gidgee fence posts we had brought back from out west some years ago. It is "serious" wood this stuff. When it gets old and hard you cannot cut it with a chain saw. We used a drop saw with a tungsten blade in it! LOL

My first prototypes turned out ok, made with the grain of the timber. But the blocks above have been cut cross grain, and with the shape of the handles, much more figuring is now visible. Harder to make, but turned out well. Shed looked like a sawmill, with offcuts and sawdust everywhere, all to produce two small handles that fit in the palm of my hand. LOL :D

I am putting the final coats of oil on the stock, and these handles, so when that is finished I will put up a pic of the finished wood.
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by GQshayne » 04 Nov 2019, 4:58 pm

Final coats of the Tru Oil have gone on the stock, following my method of applying many light coats with a soft cloth, and some rubbing to get a smooth finish on each coat. Finish has turned out well. With all the work on the stock, the timber is now improved over how I bought it, but photos will not really show that. It was pretty good before, so really only imperfections have been removed and surface improved through sanding, steaming, rubbing with steel wool etc. Looks good.

But, it now has what I call the "Rigby Look", and that is very glossy. Great if you like glossy, but I prefer a satin finish. The standard method for Tru Oil is to use Gun Stock Conditioner to give a satin finish, but I have found that a bit average. So I am trying something different this time. Some googling turned up lots of people using Tru Oil on guitars and furniture, and one method they favour is a carnuba wax finish. Birchwood Casey sell a wax to be used after Tru Oil, but I have none of that so I will try some carnuba. I have done a test piece which looks promising, so after another week of curing time, I will give that a try.

This is how Tru Oil turns out "off the gun".

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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by marksman » 04 Nov 2019, 5:04 pm

beautiful stock, great work :drinks:
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by Stix » 04 Nov 2019, 5:48 pm

Sorry to repeat myself...but thats a nice piece of wood GQshayne..

Looks like you done a great job so far...

What aboutt pics of the bolt handle & how you did that...?

Be great to see it all together...
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by Bill » 04 Nov 2019, 7:38 pm

Looks like all that rubbing and sanding paid off mate, I use to enjoy using Tru oil but changed over to a furniture makes Tung oil for a more satin finish.

I would have been tempted to remove the white line spacers.....
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Re: .17 Remington Project Rifle

Post by GQshayne » 05 Nov 2019, 7:42 pm

Thanks fellas. I will take a pic of the bolt handle after I have done the final finish on the timber. Most probably this weekend. If it turns out how I want, otherwise it will be re-oiled and try again. I did not take progress pics of it, but I did it by hand, with sandpaper and initially with the linisher.

I like the white line spacers! LOL No thought to get rid of them, even though the one on the butt makes it a lot harder to do a new recoil pad. As for oil, I would consider another one next time, but the Tru Oil works well. Maybe. :unknown:
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