What is the difference btween the two ?

[Die Judicii]

OK,, I confess I'm ignorant when it comes to this,, but if I don't ask,, I'll never know.

As an example,, using HOWA'S.

What actually is the difference between a Howa Mod 1500, and a Howa Mod 1500 "Mini Action" ?

[bladeracer]

OK,, I confess I'm ignorant when it comes to this,, but if I don't ask,, I'll never know.

As an example,, using HOWA'S.

What actually is the difference between a Howa Mod 1500, and a Howa Mod 1500 "Mini Action" ?

That Mod1500 short-action is based around the 2.800" length of the .308Win cartridge. The mini is based around the 2.260" length of the .223Rem cartridge, though I believe it actually runs cartridges up to about 2.340" in length. I load .223 at 2.450" so the Mini is too short.

[Die Judicii]

That Mod1500 short-action is based around the 2.800" length of the .308Win cartridge. The mini is based around the 2.260" length of the .223Rem cartridge, though I believe it actually runs cartridges up to about 2.340" in length. I load .223 at 2.450" so the Mini is too short.

Thanks for that Blade,, I can go to bed enlightened.
However,, for the life of me I cannot figure why a manufacturer would go to the length of changing/retooling,,,, to produce a specific rifle/chambering that would/could have been catered for,,,,,, to take both rounds in the one action length,,, in the past.

[bladeracer]

That Mod1500 short-action is based around the 2.800" length of the .308Win cartridge. The mini is based around the 2.260" length of the .223Rem cartridge, though I believe it actually runs cartridges up to about 2.340" in length. I load .223 at 2.450" so the Mini is too short.

Thanks for that Blade,, I can go to bed enlightened.
However,, for the life of me I cannot figure why a manufacturer would go to the length of changing/retooling,,,, to produce a specific rifle/chambering that would/could have been catered for,,,,,, to take both rounds in the one action length,,, in the past.

Doesn't make sense to me either. Forty years ago when .223 was effectively limited to short 55gn or 62gn bullets it would've been fine, nowadays it just restricts your bullet choice, or your velocity if you do want to run longer bullets.

[Billo]

Bladeracer was the 223 designed to run heavies ?? I suspect not as it struggles to push em out at a decent speed.

[bladeracer]

Bladeracer was the 223 designed to run heavies ?? I suspect not as it struggles to push em out at a decent speed.

I run the 80gn ELDM at 2850fps, and that's not at all a heavy load. It would be pretty hot if I had to seat it down to 2.340" or 2.260" though. ADI's COAL is 2.550" which is .100" more than I can fit in the Ruger, so I see pressure a little sooner than their load data. It's about 400-500fps less than the .243 pushes 80gn bullets so it's pretty respectable - I would think 3000fps would be achievable if I wanted to run it hot. The very high BC of these long bullets makes up for the reduced muzzle velocity when you extend the range though. The 80gn has .485BC versus .255BC for the 55gn VMax. Launched at 2850fps and 3300fps, by 225m both are down to 2400fps, but the 55gn is drifting 175mm in a 10mph wind while the 80gn is drifting 105mm. From 225m onwards the 80gn is ahead. By 400m the 80gn is making 2080fps, the 55gn is down to 1810fps, and it goes downhill from there - I'll take the heavier bullet every time, especially if there is wind.

[in2anity]

Some argue that it’s quicker to run the mini cause of the shorter stroke, but believe me you can get mighty quick even on a long action, with enough practice https://youtube.com/shorts/cY5pDdTjtTk? ... DNNFVwY0ms I guess there’s an argument for carry weight but the barrel profile is more important. It’s simple, manufacturers invent a point of difference; then young blokes with hard ons and empty safes burn their disposable pay packets.

[Billo]

Bladeracer was the 223 designed to run heavies ?? I suspect not as it struggles to push em out at a decent speed.

I run the 80gn ELDM at 2850fps, and that's not at all a heavy load. It would be pretty hot if I had to seat it down to 2.340" or 2.260" though. ADI's COAL is 2.550" which is .100" more than I can fit in the Ruger, so I see pressure a little sooner than their load data. It's about 400-500fps less than the .243 pushes 80gn bullets so it's pretty respectable - I would think 3000fps would be achievable if I wanted to run it hot. The very high BC of these long bullets makes up for the reduced muzzle velocity when you extend the range though. The 80gn has .485BC versus .255BC for the 55gn VMax. Launched at 2850fps and 3300fps, by 225m both are down to 2400fps, but the 55gn is drifting 175mm in a 10mph wind while the 80gn is drifting 105mm. From 225m onwards the 80gn is ahead. By 400m the 80gn is making 2080fps, the 55gn is down to 1810fps, and it goes downhill from there - I'll take the heavier bullet every time, especially if there is wind.

I guess if you running a coal of 2.450-2.550 anything is possible bu that would mean using a big old heavier action how much powder are you using to get 2850fps and whats you barrel length Bladeracer ?

[bladeracer]

I guess if you running a coal of 2.450-2.550 anything is possible but that would mean using a big old heavier action how much powder are you using to get 2850fps and whats you barrel length Bladeracer ?

No, standard short action. From memory I can't fit these in the original Ruger rotary mag, but they're fine in the AICS mags.
24gn of AR2206H and 22".

[Oldbloke]

TBH if i wanded to run bullets tgat heavy i would buy a 243. Simples

The short action is in demand. It is small and light weight. Handy ti use. If yor like me and di all youe hunting on foot it is a "beautifull thing".

If i wasnt in love with my Marlin i would buy one in the blink of an eye.

[Blr243]

I think my 300 blk is a mini action. It’s definitely my lightest howa and a delight to carry in th field