Name some actions

[MeccaOz]

Hey guy's and girls. Can anyone list off some actions you can buy as stand alone. Ive seen some Howa and of course stiller and surgeon, anyone have any recommendations ? It's for a small caliber hunting rifle I'd like to put together. It doesnt have to group 1/64" groups at 1000 yards but a good solid action, that wont s**t the tin at the most inopportune time..

[Chronos]

what do you want to use it for? hunting, BR, tactical? single shot or repeater? what cartridge are you going to use?

reason is actions designed for different purposes perform differently

a tight single shot Stolle panda action isn't suitable for a 300wm tactical comp rifle, but is perfectly suited to 200y benchrest shooting 6PPC

have a read here, it might give you an idea what you're looking for

http://www.6mmbr.com/actions.html

Chronos

[MeccaOz]

Sorry mate I thought I filled that bit in ... But I do get ahead of myself. Its for a small caliber hunting rifle. I havent decided on which, but it will be along the lines of either a 223 / 22-250 / 220 swift . So I'll choose a boltface ans action length later, just trying to get some options up

[Chronos]

Sorry mate I thought I filled that bit in ... But I do get ahead of myself. Its for a small caliber hunting rifle. I havent decided on which, but it will be along the lines of either a 223 / 22-250 / 220 swift . So I'll choose a boltface ans action length later, just trying to get some options up

ok, no worries, you'll be limited by a combo of bolt face and action lengths, your combo of .223, 22-250 and 220 swift uses two different bolt faces and two different action lengths


Chronos

[MeccaOz]

yeah i thought that when I threw in the swift lol. thats cool though. What would you recommend Chronos, say for the 22-250 _ I may do something semi funky and AI it )

[Mark TAC]

Why not buy an old rifle and strip it for the action, have it trued up and rebarrelled, more fun in the building then...... IMHO

[MeccaOz]

Why not buy an old rifle and strip it for the action, have it trued up and rebarrelled, more fun in the building then...... IMHO

It is an option mate, a serious one, Im just trying to get all my cards on the deck first

[Chronos]

yeah i thought that when I threw in the swift lol. thats cool though. What would you recommend Chronos, say for the 22-250 _ I may do something semi funky and AI it )

sooooooo many options, when you start thinking about it you go .20 vartarg, .204r, 22PPC, 22BR, 22-250, 22-250 imp, 22BR, 22 cheetah, then you go 6mm and it begins, 6ppc, 6BR, 6 BRX, 6Dasher, 6XC, .243, .243AI 6-284, oh boy

start with "what's the biggest animal i want to shoot and at what range?"

if you want it to be easy stick to easily available brass, large range of bullets in the weight you want and reasonable barrel life then you can choose your action around that. stick to a .308 bolt face (.470") for the large quantity of actions made that way either new or used

for small ferrals you'd say either .20cal, .22 or 6mm .the .20's gonna get knocked around more at longer rangers (probably less than a mild .22cal) and the 6mm will definitely not

of course you could be one of the cool kids and go for style points, say neck down a 22PPC to .20 cal and get a twist to suit some 50gr bullets.....oh i like the sound of that or maybe a 6.5X47 lapua necked down to 6mm and set up to shoot 75gr vmax

FYI i was talking to two guys on sunday who shoot 6BR with 65gr vmax for foxes out to 500m, they seemed to be playing with seating depths and their worst loads looked to be well under 1" at 200y, their best clover leafs but i think both were built on pseco single shot actions with match grade target barrels

i've been thinking of a light weight mag fed gun in this category lately, a CZ carbine in .223 just seems so 2012


Chronos

[Mark TAC]

^^^ I was thinking 7mm/08 shoots so flat and good BC, you could make a real nice varmint cartidge necking it down yet further.
6mm/08. With 55-60gn projies it would be an awesome varmint round.




(yes, tongue firmly in cheek)

[Chronos]

^^^ I was thinking 7mm/08 shoots so flat and good BC, you could make a real nice varmint cartidge necking it down yet further.
6mm/08. With 55-60gn projies it would be an awesome varmint round.




(yes, tongue firmly in cheek)

why not just neck the 7-08 up so you can shoot cheap .30 cal bullets? call it the 30-08

Chronos

[Chronos]

should have also said try to stick to an action where you have plenty of stock options, the minimum would be howa, savage, tikka but a rem or rem footprinted clone would be ideal

Chronos

[Mark TAC]

anyway being sensible now.

Stiller. Easily available and all easy cos it is Rem700 footprint.

[1290]

didnt take long for not only the calibre creep to set in but even wildcatting the 7mm08 to the mythical 30-08....
Crazy talk.. someone will chamber that round some day...

If you want hunting then you dont necessarily need a custom action. Most off the shelf rifles will provide 'adequate' accuracy. if you're a diy guy then a barrel nutted action will allow you to screw in a new barrel at your leisure. Except in NSW (barrel registration effed up business)
Savage.... when you by a Savage action you even have options of single shot / repeater / blind mag / detach mag / poly / timber / laminate stock / ss / blued metal work...

[MeccaOz]

Laffin, seems everyone has their own perfect build in the back of their minds .. Sooooo many options , but yeah Ill keep it in the 22 range , as I have one of those necked up 7mm-08 mythical thingies, lol

Thanks for all the input guys

[Westy]

SOMEONE GET ME A SHOVEL!!!!!
And as for the action get yourself a old Mauser (the older the better) it'll be "Unique" to say the very least!!!
Maybe chamber it in say306

[RDobber]

You should buy a Tikka action. And barrel.

Conveniently they come in a box together as well

[squirrelhunter]

It doesnt have to group 1/64" groups at 1000 yards but a good solid action, that wont s**t the tin at the most inopportune time..

Anything in a Mauser style action.

Never fails

[Mark TAC]

^^^ except Zastava, the master of the 3" group :-0

[Chronos]

It doesnt have to group 1/64" groups at 1000 yards but a good solid action, that wont s**t the tin at the most inopportune time..

Anything in a Mauser style action.

Never fails

This could be a good starting point

Winchester M70 Action.

But it's not something I'd start with for a .22 cal light hunting gun

Chronos

[MeccaOz]

Thanks heapsss guys, and Ive been pouring over usedguns like a teenage boy with a new playboy Chronos

[Hadoku]

Could always look at a second hand rifle and strip it for the action, instead of buying a new one.

Probably the same price and you'd end up with spares or other parts to muck about with in your projects.

[MeccaOz]

Could always look at a who rifle second hand and strip it for the action, instead of buying a new one.

Probably the same price and you'd end up with spares or other parts to muck about with in your projects.

OK Im a dummy whats a "Who" rifle ? And yeah I am looking at 2nd handies mate. Got a mate in Perth checking out gunshops too. I'm pretty sure it will end up being a 220 swift, which I do want, but I really need a cheaper centerfire in the 20-22 caliber range. Which will probably be a 204 ( Thanks to Chronos for explaining them to me ) or a 223, 22-250, something rather common I can get cheap/er ammo for anywhere. But first I need to wait on my 308 to get licensed and then spend some time on that

[Hadoku]

That's me having a brain fart and typing nonsense.

I meant to say buy a second hand rifle and strip it for the action.

Updated my reply.

[Chronos]

Another thing to consider is buying a new gun in say .243 and have a gunsmith blow the chamber out either to an improved or even bigger, say6mm rem or 6-284 but this might mean changing bolt stops and magazines

Chronos

[MeccaOz]

Another thing to consider is buying a new gun in say .243 and have a gunsmith blow the chamber out either to an improved or even bigger, say6mm rem or 6-284 but this might mean changing bolt stops and magazines

Actually I was chatting to a mate the other night, and he suggested a 22/243, and considering it looks like I'll be building a barrel burner anyway.

Apparently there are a few 22/243's around so I may be able to get some thoughts and knowledge from a few others.

Also I'm thinking I might get a Howa action and have it blueprinted if anyone in Australia does them?

[mausermate]

Montana Firearms make a great copy of a control round feed Mauser and the actions are imported to AUS by Tasko. They don't come cheap but are a new handmade custom 98 action and slick as! You'll struggle to buy better for a custom hunting rifle.

[MeccaOz]

Montana Firearms make a great copy of a control round feed Mauser and the actions are imported to AUS by Tasko. They don't come cheap but are a new handmade custom 98 action and slick as! You'll struggle to buy better for a custom hunting rifle.

OK that officially made me drool

[Hadoku]

Actually I was chatting to a mate the other night, and he suggested a 22/243, and considering it looks like I'll be building a barrel burner anyway.

Apparently there are a few 22/243's around so I may be able to get some thoughts and knowledge from a few others.

22-243 hey. That must be real close to a 22-250? Just a hair more case capacity?

Wondering how much better it can be for the effort of running a wildcat?

[Chronos]

Actually I was chatting to a mate the other night, and he suggested a 22/243, and considering it looks like I'll be building a barrel burner anyway.

Apparently there are a few 22/243's around so I may be able to get some thoughts and knowledge from a few others.

22-243 hey. That must be real close to a 22-250? Just a hair more case capacity?

Wondering how much better it can be for the effort of running a wildcat?

I'd say quite a bit more.

The 22-250 case volume is 43gr if water, the .243 case volume is 54gr of water. They are not the same case.

Chronos

[Mark TAC]

^^^ But for the effort is it worth it? Without looking at the numbers I'd suspect .223WSM would do it just fine, or .220 Swift.