Rifle bolt lubrication

[Oldbloke]

Big bolt, Long Barrel and a Massive load...life's looking up for me every day and not because everyone is taller then me

Those were the days my friend, l thought they would never end.....then I got married and kids came along...

[mausermate]

There has been a lot of crap put on Blaser. not sure why? I can never seem to find the hard evidence. Love to see it if anyone has some.

Not interested in hearsay but no offense intended to the previous posts. Just want to know.

[Jack V]

It's no Myth . Excess oil in the chamber will increase bolt thrust and case stretch slightly and increase chamber pressure . Not so much a problem with a tight fitting case that is backed up on the bolt face anyway at a safe pressure . More of a problem with excessive head space and max pressure loads on the edge of busting primers .
Normal oil under chamber pressure can detonate expanding as gas which can cause case dents . This can prevent the case expanding as normal and add pressure inside . A lot of people patch out the bore before shooting but forget the chamber . Generally guns that are stored standing up or on the muzzle drain any heavy excess oil away . It don't hurt to patch out the bore and chamber before firing as it also makes sure no other obstruction is in the bore .

[veep]

There has been a lot of crap put on Blaser. not sure why? I can never seem to find the hard evidence. Love to see it if anyone has some.

Not interested in hearsay but no offense intended to the previous posts. Just want to know.

Definitely not putting crap on Blaser. Just saying there was the Blaser blowup and Little River. That's fact.

Not suggesting in any way it was Blasers fault thought through a manufacturing error or quality control or anything else along those lines.

[whert]

Mausermate,

This was posted on Blaserbuds website a little while after the incident, as they were following it more closely.

We have been following this behind the scenes for a bit. Now it seems that as much information is available, as may ever be available.

A Blaser blow up occurred in Australia.

The caliber was a 338 Lapua.

It was shot using ammo manufactured by a local, commercial enterprise.

The user had decided that his firearm did not extract as slick as he desired. He was using Hornady, One Shot case lube, in the chamber, and on the collet fingers between shots. Even after damage to collet fingers was observed, he continued to use the firearm, and lube between shots. Out of six shots, two case head separations occurred. The shooter continued to use the firearm. On the 7th shot, the firearm decided life was too short to put up with, and ended the shooter/blowupees range experience for that day. Not documented, but persons closer to the situation, have mentioned, that a Blaser barrel, in another caliber, this same shooter was treating with the case lube, had shown signs of similar bolt head finger damage, as the one that blew up.

The shooter/blowupee, has refused to allow Blaser access to rifle, and ammunition.

While this information has come from local, and reliable sources. Things sometimes get lost in translation, and while we feel this information to be fairly accurate, it may not be 100% exact. If we need to make corrections, or additions to this report, we will as needed.

All firearms have design parameters. Exceeding them, when the firearm is telling you, that you are doing so, is ill advised.

We will edit, and add information if things become clearer than what we have.

No further comments, or participation by members is needed at this point. This is posted for information only.

That's the best I could find on it at the time.

[Hardcast]

My bolts get an occasional squirt with Inox, but are always wrapped in an oily rag.

They never go into the rifle wet with oil.

[mausermate]

Thanks whert.

Some people are pretty silly.

Hope he/she wasn't hurt.

[1290]

The trouble with this incident, (of which I heard nothing further after the initial reports and online details as above) is that it creates the convenient impression that the activity is inherently dangerous, at both ends. Now, maybe this guy didnt know any better, couldnt read the signs, or maybe just dicing with trouble and though nah will never happen...Its a Blaaaahza...

[newsteadvic]

Whert you are repeating internet heresy. You have cherry-picked a quote.

The quote you provide is on page one of the thread of Blaser Buds thread.
http://www.blaserbuds.com/forum/viewtop ... 9&start=20

This quote is on page two:

I would just like to reply to this accusation as I am sick and tired of hearing such rubbish,
seriously do you really think using case lube in a chamber or on the bolt face will destroy this rifle like it did?
being the person who looked after this poor guy (one of your mob a blaser owner and enthusiest by the way) he did not use case lube on the bolt face or in the chamber at all, what rubbish, sounds like some people will bury a mate to protect there brand,
the rifle blew up in a way that no rifle should, the bolt came straight back at him, as has happened before several time's with this type of blaser rifle, (google it), the load's were hot but that is how you load any 338 lap or wsm and lots of other cals for that matter,
he was not having case head seperation's or problems with extracting cases, he fired 50 shot's, the 51st blew?
the barrel was not blocked and did not have a bulge in it, I checked every case that was fired there was no lube!
look on accurate shooter and see a savage that blew up because the owner forgot to remove a cleaning rod, then carried on shooting another rifle for the rest of the day, his action locked not like the blaser and he is safe,
the blaser shoots the bolt back at you, (google it) factory ammo, reloaded ammo, no difference, the causes I have heard are,
dirt-grit where the hooks fit, trigger group pins being made of steel and coroding so the trigger can be pulled when the bolt is not closed, apparently changed to stainless pins now? pistol powder ect.....
how about not trying to make this guy look like a dick and support a blaser user like yourselves and wait for the real story to come out what ever it will be.
I will say this though I and many people I know will not ever shoot a blaser after this, and it has stopped a few people I know from buying them, I dont even like being near one when it's fired,
and just remember the bloke this happened to was a blaser supporter so give him a break!
I was there were you?

Now having said that this poster does not have any other posts on BlaserBuds. Were they really there? Is what they are saying truthful? Who can know. One thing that does not have the ring of truth is firing 50 rounds 338 lapua straight? Do people really do that? How much does that stuff cost reloaded? $2-3-4-5 a shot?

[mausermate]

Not sure why he hasn't taken the rifle back if it was a rifle malfunction. Maybe the poor bugger can't, or saving it for a court battle, who knows.

Anyway, back to rifle bolt lubrication.

[newsteadvic]

Anyway, back to rifle bolt lubrication.

Good point. Yes - rifle bolt lubrication is safe and appropriate.

[whert]

Whert you are repeating internet heresy. You have cherry-picked a quote.

I didn't cherry pick anything.

I posted a quote, said where it was from, and said that was the information I had at the time. Never said it was current or it was the undisputed truth.

If you've got more current info to add, great.

Also, not sure why I got the reprimand when all you'e done is post a different quote? And from the same place no less. Why does yours outweigh mine?

Don't want to get into a pissing match over this but just saying, pot calling the kettle black much?

[scrolllock]

Hope he/she wasn't hurt.

He was taken away in an ambulance after the bolt hit him in the face.

No idea what happened after that though.

[Jack V]

I am not a fan of the Blaser system but it seems to me some high pressure was going on to start with and only an idiot would have kept firing away.

Any type of action and barrel system has it's limits.

[bigfellascott]

I am not a fan of the Blaser system but it seems to me some high pressure was going on to start with and only an idiot would have kept firing away.

Any type of action and barrel system has it's limits.

How did you determine that Jack?

[Jack V]

Somewhere it said that the bolt was showing some damage but he kept firing . They said the loads were hot but not having extraction problems. Well I have seen people struggling with extraction and when you ask them if they need help they say , No it's fine"" when clearly it's not .
If he fired 50 normal shots and 51 blew up the gun then it is possible that the fifty first shot was a faulty high pressure load of some kind .
Who knows what may have been done in loading the ammo , even factory ammo has been known to have faulty overloads .
This reminds me of a pro roo shooter I new who grossly overloaded his 223 ammo . One night it started jamming up and would not extract , in the end he beat the bolt open with a lump of wood . Thank God the case rim stripped and the case stayed in the chamber . I was so relieved and we used my gun for the remainder of the night . That gun fired lots of shots before it gave up . Every time he fired I cringed in the passenger seat because I knew what was coming , luckily it was not too bad.
It's all speculation if you were not there but I think he just pounded the action until it gave up. As I said I am not a fan of the Blaser system and never will be.

[bigfellascott]

Somewhere it said that the bolt was showing some damage but he kept firing . They said the loads were hot but not having extraction problems. Well I have seen people struggling with extraction and when you ask them if they need help they say , No it's fine"" when clearly it's not .
If he fired 50 normal shots and 51 blew up the gun then it is possible that the fifty first shot was a faulty high pressure load of some kind .
Who knows what may have been done in loading the ammo , even factory ammo has been known to have faulty overloads .
This reminds me of a pro roo shooter I new who grossly overloaded his 223 ammo . One night it started jamming up and would not extract , in the end he beat the bolt open with a lump of wood . Thank God the case rim stripped and the case stayed in the chamber . I was so relieved and we used my gun for the remainder of the night . That gun fired lots of shots before it gave up . Every time he fired I cringed in the passenger seat because I knew what was coming , luckily it was not too bad.
It's all speculation if you were not there but I think he just pounded the action until it gave up. As I said I am not a fan of the Blaser system and never will be.

Thanks for that mate.