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30-06 rebarrel

Post by Member-Deleted » 22 Jul 2017, 9:50 am

I;m thinking of rebarreling a mauser werke model 2000 sporter from 22-250 back to 30-06 anyone had any experience with twist rates with 30-06 ?
I want to run 168 gr to 200 gr projectiles
At present it has a 22-250 ackley stainless 26'' barrel only 400 rds through it
Don't need another 22-250 so i will rebarrel it cheaper than buying a new rifle.

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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by No1Mk3 » 22 Jul 2017, 10:20 am

G'day grandadbushy,
Intended range, and velocity required will also play a part regarding twist rates for 168g projectiles in 30cal barrels. Generally speaking, a 1:10 will shoot your 168 as will 1:12, but in a very general sense 200g+ will need the 1:10 for longer ranges, say 600m+ and lighter bullets would need the faster 1:12. The Sierra 175g Matchking shoots very well in 1:10, as does the 155g Dyer at 3000fps. Lighter than that I have never had much luck and needed to run faster twist rates, Have fun playing, Cheers.
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Post by Oldbloke » 22 Jul 2017, 10:51 am

Cheaper/easier to buy a new rifle. That's if your not too fussy about brand. Shop around.
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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by Member-Deleted » 22 Jul 2017, 2:04 pm

Thanks No1Mk3 that sounds pretty good to me it will only be for a go to rifle if i need any more than 25-06
I think i will run with the 1-10 for the 168-200 gr because i will be playing with long distance most of the time

Yeah oldbloke but i was trying to keep the mauser action being a strong action and all
I already have a mauser almost identical and in 22-250 so i have most of the bits
When i had the last mauser rebarreled it cost about $660 fitted and to buy a rifle with a similar action would cost about $2000 to $3000
Mainly because i like quality all my other rifles are sako's
Not sure what it would cost nowdays to rebarrel to 30-06, its hard to get a quote up here unless you send the rifle to them (too much mucking around)
Last gunsmith gave me a quote over the phone within $50 but he is not doing it any more
I will oil up the rusty cogs in me noggin and have a better think about it

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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by yoshie » 22 Jul 2017, 2:20 pm

I had a Brno 243 (shot out) done with a stainless meduim weight barrel 22 inch to 260 4 years ago. Total cost was just under $900, barrel was about $6-700, plus labour, the barrel chanel had to be opened up also.

I also had a mauser 98 (Parker Hale) rebarreled recently to 260 again with a 26inch bull barrel, that was closer to $1100 but also had all the scope holes redrilled as most had sheared off, new scooe rail installed. That was a cromemoly barrel which was blued.
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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by Member-Deleted » 22 Jul 2017, 2:27 pm

Thanks yoshie at least that gives me something to work with and hows the 260 going better than the 243 ?

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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by yoshie » 22 Jul 2017, 4:45 pm

I have a 223 and a 30-06, the 243 was grouping larger than a dinner plate at 100m and the throat was eroded about 4-5 inches from the chamber or either sell it or rebarrel it, i quite liked the rifle and thought it was better than most of the othet new rifles around the $1000 mark so i had it rebarreled. I was toying with either 260 or 7mm-08 or 358 winchester but thought 358 was too close to 30-06. I'm really happy with the 260 thats why i ended up getting another done. Its a very capable hunting cartridge and also good for target work.
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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by Oldbloke » 22 Jul 2017, 6:26 pm

Buy new a Howa, say $700. (there are others around that price) Sell the 22-250, for maybe, $450. Cost less than $300.

Rebarrel sounds like at least $650

I'm sure some actions are better than others, but will you ever wear it out?
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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by duncan61 » 22 Jul 2017, 6:38 pm

I have a Howa .243 with a 22 inch barrel that rusted and it is badly pitted.I would love that 22/250 barrel and turn her into a long range varminter.The case is the same base
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Post by Member-Deleted » 22 Jul 2017, 10:45 pm

Yeah duncan61 when i make up my mind and do it you can have first chop at the barrel its 26'' s/s 22-250 ackley improved
1-10 or 1-12 i'm not sure right now but its a lazer with 60 gr projectiles

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Post by duncan61 » 22 Jul 2017, 10:56 pm

I am sure you will be able to post it.Its only a piece of metal rod.I would be very keen as I wish to do something with this Howa.I will get a custom stock as well.I have a timber and blue BRNO .243 from 1978 and a .222 RUGER.I would not get a .223 as mixing the ammo is an issue but I am familiar with .22/250 and they are flat shooting cannons and very popular in the area I shoot
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Post by duncan61 » 22 Jul 2017, 11:40 pm

I have looked up the data for 22/250 AI and settled on 39 gr 2208 for 3800 FPS with a 50gn pill I would probably get Ballistic tip rather than the PSP Winchesters I shoot out of my .222 at 2800 FPS.With the right scope and light I should be able to hit foxes at distance.Last time we went to the block in Waroona there were a lot of foxes
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Post by bladeracer » 22 Jul 2017, 11:45 pm

duncan61 wrote:I am sure you will be able to post it.Its only a piece of metal rod.I would be very keen as I wish to do something with this Howa.I will get a custom stock as well.I have a timber and blue BRNO .243 from 1978 and a .222 RUGER.I would not get a .223 as mixing the ammo is an issue but I am familiar with .22/250 and they are flat shooting cannons and very popular in the area I shoot



Wouldn't you have to shorten and re-chamber it anyway?
Does it have the same interface as the Howa?
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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by Gwion » 23 Jul 2017, 12:10 am

Yes. The barrel is unlikely to be a straight swap. Will need a finish reaming at the very least.
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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by duncan61 » 23 Jul 2017, 12:13 am

The threads for a Howa action are M26-1.5 .
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Post by bladeracer » 23 Jul 2017, 1:00 am

duncan61 wrote:The threads for a Howa action are M26-1.5 .



I found a reference that says "The threads are 1.1" x 12 TPI with the tenon length being the same as the M98. In essence, standard Mauser barrels will fit but you still need to get the barrel headspaced."
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=346378

That is roughly M28x2mm threads. Since there won't be enough material left to cut new threads you will need to cut the threads off the chamber and re-cut the chamber to suit whatever cartridge you want. You could possibly machine the tenon down, then press on a sleeve and thread that to fit the receiver.
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Post by duncan61 » 23 Jul 2017, 1:21 am

my man has an engineering shop where we reload and store most of our firearms.This would be within his abilities to machine the tenon and sleeve.I have seen him do harder stuff
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Post by bladeracer » 23 Jul 2017, 4:57 am

duncan61 wrote:my man has an engineering shop where we reload and store most of our firearms.This would be within his abilities to machine the tenon and sleeve.I have seen him do harder stuff


It's not at all difficult, but is it worth the messing around when you can buy a brand new Howa 22-250 for $600?
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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by Mitch » 23 Jul 2017, 9:06 am

You originally wanted to go to 30-06.

Is it a short or long action? If it is a 22-250 on a short action then 30-06 be no good anyway.

Personally i would get a decent barrel done by a smith before i bought a new howa. The quality will be a huge difference
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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by Member-Deleted » 23 Jul 2017, 9:39 am

Hang on boys i haven't taken it off yet and probably won't for awhile until i build up some cash after my son rolled his cruiser 100 m down a range
we lost him 3 times in 24 hrs but he's coming good now thankfully he may never work again but he's alive
This puts a strain on the old purse string when your living in a motel 600 klm from home for month waiting to see if he is going to servive after being
so broken
But hopefully i can rebarrel by the end of the year if i go ahead with it

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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by Bent Arrow » 23 Jul 2017, 5:09 pm

grandadbushy wrote:Hang on boys i haven't taken it off yet and probably won't for awhile until i build up some cash after my son rolled his cruiser 100 m down a range
we lost him 3 times in 24 hrs but he's coming good now thankfully he may never work again but he's alive
This puts a strain on the old purse string when your living in a motel 600 klm from home for month waiting to see if he is going to servive after being
so broken
But hopefully i can rebarrel by the end of the year if i go ahead with it

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Holy crap. Sorry to hear that. Hope he mends well.....
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Post by Oldbloke » 23 Jul 2017, 6:48 pm

Hope your son comes good. Best wishes.
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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by Gwion » 24 Jul 2017, 1:44 am

Best of luck to your boy, mate. Tough times!
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Post by Member-Deleted » 24 Jul 2017, 1:58 am

Thanks very much boys really appreciate your well wishes
He can sort of walk now after being told he may never walk again so we believe in miracles now
he's got more steel and screws in him than my lawn mower now ( lol )
Anyway thanks for your thoughts it means a lot

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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by Member-Deleted » 05 Nov 2017, 11:07 pm

Just another thank you for those well wishers for my son I thought I would let you know he is doing much better
but still has a few major problems but hopefully he will get over them so far so good :thumbsup:

Here is a couple of presents he received from the operations to stem the bleeding and to put his pelvis and hips back together
Operations front and back
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Post by Member-Deleted » 05 Nov 2017, 11:09 pm

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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by Member-Deleted » 06 Nov 2017, 12:40 pm

Thanks Sungazer much appreciated it almost did take his life his vitals shut down on the mountain but returned then twice more at the hospital
Yes it certainly changes your life as well as his you find yourself praying when you've never prayed before
The old saying is you don't know what it's like to loose some thing until you've lost it , never a truer word said I've looked down that Abyss and
its not a good feeling believe me
Anyway mate thanks for your kind support
We both appreciate it thanks

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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by Bent Arrow » 06 Nov 2017, 10:40 pm

Glad to hear he is mending.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 06 Nov 2017, 10:49 pm

Thanks Bent Arrow much appreciated

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Re: 30-06 rebarrel

Post by Daddybang » 07 Nov 2017, 5:53 am

grandadbushy wrote:Just another thank you for those well wishers for my son I thought I would let you know he is doing much better
but still has a few major problems but hopefully he will get over them so far so good :thumbsup:

Here is a couple of presents he received from the operations to stem the bleeding and to put his pelvis and hips back together
Operations front and back


It takes time granddad . really good to hear ya boy is on the mend and don't forget chicks dig scars!! :thumbsup: :friends:
This hard living ain't as easy as it used to be!!!
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