.22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Wm.Traynor » 21 Oct 2017, 1:20 pm

Thanks Supa. Sounds handy
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Cherza » 21 Oct 2017, 5:51 pm

Wm.Traynor wrote:Sounds good Cherza :D :thumbsup:
But please tell this old geezer what spray de-greaser is. I'm a bit behind the times ;)

Supaduke is correct just a can degreaser from repco.
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Cherza » 21 Oct 2017, 5:57 pm

I took a few burrs off with a stone I use for my knifes it worked a treat.
Safety is still a bit stiff I might try some synthetic grease.
I managed to get out for a shot today it didnt shoot to bad.
Tonight im going to free float the barrel.
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Cherza » 21 Oct 2017, 7:37 pm

Just finished free floating the barrel.
I was going to upload some pics but having a few dramas with the 1g limit
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Cherza » 21 Oct 2017, 7:49 pm

The free floating barrel has come up well I had to take allot out.
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Wm.Traynor » 21 Oct 2017, 9:32 pm

Could have missed something but did not expect you to float the barrel. It's the first thing I did to my CZ.
Do you know how to test the bedding?
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Cherza » 22 Oct 2017, 6:36 am

Wm.Traynor wrote:Could have missed something but did not expect you to float the barrel. It's the first thing I did to my CZ.
Do you know how to test the bedding?

Didnt mension it in my first post but I Had everything here so I thought I'd do it.
I think because the barrel was making contact with the forend of the stock the front lug was not making contact with the stock when the stock.
No I dont know the correct way for testing the bedding, could you explain it please.
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Wm.Traynor » 22 Oct 2017, 9:10 am

Sounds like you have a lump attached to the barrel's under-side, like a 452 CZ. That arrangement is very difficult to deal with, I am sorry to say. Briefly then and IMO, the whole rifle should sit on the bottom of that lump and the underside of the action, at the rear take-down bolt. No contact between those two areas. Because this bedding arrangement is unlike others where there are screws at the front and rear of the action, it cannot be tested as far as I know. When I did my 452, tension on the bolt at the front "lug", was a big influence on vertical dispersion.
How far in front of the action is the lug?
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Cherza » 22 Oct 2017, 9:37 am

Wm.Traynor wrote:Sounds like you have a lump attached to the barrel's under-side, like a 452 CZ. That arrangement is very difficult to deal with, I am sorry to say. Briefly then and IMO, the whole rifle should sit on the bottom of that lump and the underside of the action, at the rear take-down bolt. No contact between those two areas. Because this bedding arrangement is unlike others where there are screws at the front and rear of the action, it cannot be tested as far as I know. When I did my 452, tension on the bolt at the front "lug", was a big influence on vertical dispersion.
How far in front of the action is the lug?

That is correct its a little round dove tail lug.
Its about a inch in front of the action from memory
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Wm.Traynor » 22 Oct 2017, 12:06 pm

I thought so. That is probably a better idea than my old 452 which was much further out down the barrel. The same comments/recommendations apply, however. The idea is to bed under the action, at the take-down bolt, shoot it and see what it is like.
But now that you have floated the barrel, I would try that first. You might be happy with that. If you are are novice with tools :unknown: it will be hard going. It is a great pity that there is no-one down there who could show you, one on one. Let us know how you go mate.
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Cherza » 22 Oct 2017, 3:00 pm

Wm.Traynor wrote:I thought so. That is probably a better idea than my old 452 which was much further out down the barrel. The same comments/recommendations apply, however. The idea is to bed under the action, at the take-down bolt, shoot it and see what it is like.
But now that you have floated the barrel, I would try that first. You might be happy with that. If you are are novice with tools :unknown: it will be hard going. It is a great pity that there is no-one down there who could show you, one on one. Let us know how you go mate.

Thanks I have done a few in the past one was a cz the other a synthetic rem700.
I will see how I go.
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Cherza » 22 Oct 2017, 10:20 pm

Well I just finished my first trigger job.
It actually feels ok now im pretty sure they have a two stage trigger correct me if im wrong.
It was so heavy before you had to keep on squeezing it and just wait for it to break.
I found two pen springs the first being to light.
After a bit of playing with the adjustment screw and adding a few shims to limit over travel becuase the sear kept on catching, the slightly heavier spring felt pretty good.
After that i closed the bolt hard and gave it the bump test and it passed.
I havn't tested the weight yet but the first stage is nice and light then you can feel when its going to break hopefully this is two stage and its not just creep?
Ether way I can live with it its heaps better.
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Cherza » 23 Oct 2017, 5:02 pm

A quick update guys the trigger is roughly 2.9lb
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Wm.Traynor » 23 Oct 2017, 6:53 pm

Cherza wrote:A quick update guys the trigger is roughly 2.9lb


You should shoot a lot better now mate :thumbsup:
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by McGarnagle » 17 Feb 2018, 4:49 pm

I just bought one of these last week. What's the best way to clean the packing grease off, especially the synthetic stock?
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by SHANAKATAK » 18 Feb 2018, 8:32 pm

Cheap can of degreaser from an auto shop.
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Oldbloke » 18 Feb 2018, 9:58 pm

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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by McGarnagle » 21 Feb 2018, 8:04 am

Cheers got that all sorted and ready to shoot. Is there any way to remove the front sight also?
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Re: .22 Norinco jw15 or puma hunter mods

Post by Gwion » 21 Feb 2018, 9:27 am

Cherza wrote:
Wm.Traynor wrote:Sounds like you have a lump attached to the barrel's under-side, like a 452 CZ. That arrangement is very difficult to deal with, I am sorry to say. Briefly then and IMO, the whole rifle should sit on the bottom of that lump and the underside of the action, at the rear take-down bolt. No contact between those two areas. Because this bedding arrangement is unlike others where there are screws at the front and rear of the action, it cannot be tested as far as I know. When I did my 452, tension on the bolt at the front "lug", was a big influence on vertical dispersion.
How far in front of the action is the lug?

That is correct its a little round dove tail lug.
Its about a inch in front of the action from memory


I know this is a few months old but..... bedding 22lr with a barrel lugs is a pain in the bum. After removing the trigger and mag receiver assembly and stopping up any voids with plasticine, you need to wrap an even layer of sparkies' tape around the lug and fill the voids in the dovetail join with plasticine (be generous and even build it up around the join: neatly: or you will have one stuck barrelled action!) and put release agent all along the action. I also build a plasticine dam about an inch forward of the lug to create a stop for the bedding compound. Obviously, all this is done after the inletting has been relieved and keyed; being sure to leave a small datum point at the tang end as height reference. Stop up trigger and mag inletting with placticine.

I then reassemble the rifle and toques down the action to get the dam to the height I want it. Once I am happy that the action is sitting where I want it in the stock, I take it apart and trim the action side of the channel dam so the bedding creates a nice straight line perpendicular to the bore.

Here's the tricky part.
If the lug screw is captive in the stock, you have to do something to prevent bedding compound binding the whole show together.
Get a screw that matches the female thread on the barrel lug. Screw it in all the way and mark the depth. Grind all the thread from the screw and cut the head off. It should now slide through the take down inlet in the stock with plenty of clearance. Wrap an even layer of sparkies' tape around the protruding rod and again use plasticine or wax to fill any void where the screw enters the lug.
I have found it most successful to then plug the lug inletting from the barrel channel side and pour in candle wax from the other side. Once set, use an appropriately sized sharp drill bit (by hand) to ream the screw hole and leave a small collar of wax all around. Your lug rod should now pass easily through the lug inletting hole in the stock and the wax is preventing bedding compound from binding the parts together.
Mask up your stock. Mix up your bedding compound and put the two pieces together. Using finger pressure, set the action to datum (the point you left at the tang and the dam you built in the barrel channel) and give a bit of a clean up of any squeeze out goo. Use heavy rubber bands (I use cut up strips of bike inner tube) just behind the barrel lug (to allow clearance of the lug rod; ideally you use two wraps and offset the bottom passes so that the pressure is even directly on the lug) and also at the tang end (directly over the datum point you left). Don't over do it. You just wand even pressure to hole it to datum. Give it another little clean up but don't go nuts because you will get some suck back as the bedding sets and (if you have masked and coated with release properly) it is easy to sand any excess back once it has cured and comes to final clean up.

Allow it to go off. Crack the action out and begin the slow, tedious process of cleaning all parts of release compound, tape and plasticine. Remove and ridges or burs left in bedding compound. Bevel and taper around any inletting for trigger and mag. Ensure the line at the end of the bedding is exactly perpendicular to the bore/barrel. Reassemble. Shoot. Set torque. Wonder why the hell you took out the pressure point bedding in the first place. Experiment with where is the ideal place and what is the ideal height of the new pressure point by shooting and testing with small strips of card board. Re-install pressure point. Shoot.

Feel proud of your work for a few months and then realise how much of a waste of time it was on such a cheap rifle but then shrug your shoulders and think, "hey, at least I learned something".

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