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Re: Swan barrels

Post by bigrich » 12 Mar 2018, 7:49 pm

allan swan barrels are hand lapped MR, and of very good qaulity so i'm told. maybe it can be recrowned by a better qaulified smith ? been asking around, and there is a wait for good smiths who are in demand. have heard enough stories to say be careful , there are a few dodgie ones out there
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by Mitch » 12 Mar 2018, 8:51 pm

Bigrich,
If you have issues have you contacted them? I would expect a 4 weekish turn around before contacting. Bringing it up on forums rarely achieves much, better handled in private IMO
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by bigrich » 12 Mar 2018, 9:03 pm

yeh, your right Mitch. was more looking for other peoples experiences with wait times on the forum. i am a patient person, the guy does good work, but the wait is killing me.i have contacted him previously, politely, but it has dragged out. as per my earlier post, all the good smith's are very busy. did contact him the other day, was appologised to for the delay and my rifles will be ready real soon. crisis over.... :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by Gwion » 12 Mar 2018, 10:08 pm

bigrich wrote:i realize the guy is in demand, i have two rifles in his shop, and time seems to be dragging out. just wondering what a normal turn around time is for a gunsmith these days. anyone got any experience or opinions ?


My smuth always gets my stuff back with in a week or two. The rifles he's done shoot very well.
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by bigrich » 13 Mar 2018, 4:34 am

good to hear you get quick turn around and good qaulity Gwion. around brisbane there don't seem to be too many smiths . especially ones that are old school craftsman that can handle everything. before i settled on swan barrels to do my work i rang around. one guy told me up front he had that much work to ring him back in six months :unknown:
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by Mitch » 13 Mar 2018, 5:14 am

bigrich wrote:yeh, your right Mitch. was more looking for other peoples experiences with wait times on the forum. i am a patient person, the guy does good work, but the wait is killing me.i have contacted him previously, politely, but it has dragged out. as per my earlier post, all the good smith's are very busy. did contact him the other day, was appologised to for the delay and my rifles will be ready real soon. crisis over.... :thumbsup: :drinks:


Sounds like a good outcome mate
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by bigrich » 13 Mar 2018, 3:55 pm

when i get my rifles back i'll run in the barrel's and post some groups. i already know my heavy barreled 22 hornet is a tack driver.
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by bigrich » 25 Mar 2018, 5:29 pm

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well fellas, i picked up my allan swan barrel equiped Krico's during the week and ran them in this arvo at ripley. 22-250 krico 600 did well. was shooting tikka 55 gr sp's . the following groups are after about 30 rounds at 100. the wind was gusting a bit, not olympic match winning , but i'm happy :drinks: :thumbsup: :lol: :drinks: :thumbsup:
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krico 22-250
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by bigrich » 25 Mar 2018, 5:42 pm

didn't do so well with my 22 hornet krico. i put it down to a fresh barrel,wind and crap remington ammo. good excuse to start handloading methinks. will get this sorted so it is at it's best and post some better groups. big thumbs up for swan barrels but :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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krico hornet with swan heavy barrel
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by Stix » 25 Mar 2018, 6:35 pm

The results from that hornet are a disappointment to say the least...
No point persuing that rubbish mate...may as well bag her up n ship her over here cobber...you know im happy to help ya out that way bud.

And i like the look of the 22-250 chambered krico--thats pretty...!!
Feel free to chuck her in the bubble wrap with the hornet too...!! :clap:

Whats the trigger feel like on those & how heavy...?
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by bigrich » 25 Mar 2018, 7:03 pm

hey stix, yeh the hornet groups were a bit eratic, marginally better than my weihrauch 22 mag on the same day with similar wind speeds. was sighting in with PPU, from previous shoots this was more accurate, but really fouls the bore up quicker. very good brass i'm told but. will go back to PPU and try some hornady and see how she goes. something that is a little confusing, is the rem ammo is supposed to be quicker than PPU but impact point dropped by 6" at 100. any ideas ? dunno about pull weights but the krico 600 22-250 has a fully adjustable "match" trigger and it's awsome. gunsmiths remarked on trigger qaulity so you know it's not ordinary. my old hornet rifle is a 400E , these were drilled for scope mounts as well as grooved as they were intended as a comp rifle in europe, so the triggers good. my old mate stoney has shot it, and " trigger like a glass rod breaking" was his discription. both barrels are very fresh and should group tighter with some more rounds as they wear in. i have heard hornets need to be handloaded to give their best anyway.
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by bigrich » 25 Mar 2018, 7:14 pm

here's a shot of the 600's trigger from underneath. three adjustment screws can be seen. on what research i have done online, i've only seen these on krico olympic grade rifles ,military sniper rifles and 22-250's in this model in australia. from what i've seen online, lot's of american sold krico's over a lot of different models came with a twin set trigger like a zkm 465 brno. havent seen any in australia yet. there are five different grades of krico triggers that are easily interchangable between models so i've read. german ingenuity ay ?
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by bigrich » 25 Mar 2018, 7:18 pm

to steal a qoute from NRA members stix, " you can have my krico's when you take them from my cold dead hands ".

regards,

Baron Wolfgang Von Krico AKA bigrich :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by Stix » 25 Mar 2018, 7:47 pm

Dunno why rem ammo spits em low mate...maybe just where the barrel throws when they're on exit...(?)...dunno--hopefully some experts can shed light...

They sound like nice triggers mate...!

That name is too long, ill just shorten it to 'Bargang Vonco' i think... :lol:
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by bigrich » 25 Mar 2018, 8:13 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: good on ya stix. did some more interweb surfing, and the 400 hundred series came with a trigger pull of 200 grams standard, or a 150 gr pull. but to get back on topic, swan barrels are a very good thing. 'cause they are good people are lined up. so be patient is my advice. it was worth the weight :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by Rod_outbak » 27 Mar 2018, 4:37 am

I have a Krico 600 in .243; looks nigh identical to your 22-250 there.
Sweet rifle.
Inherited from my father, but given to me by my brother, after the plastic trigger guard had broken.
A shooting mate talked a gunsmith in Toowoomba to machine me up a drop-in alloy trigger guard, about 12 years back.

I had a gunsmith in Rockhampton fit a new stainless barrel in 2015; Surprisingly, the stainless barrel and alloy trigger guard now look almost factory, only 2-tone.
New barrel doesnt seem to heat up as quickly as the original; cant fathom why.
Rifle now shoots very consistently. It used to start to wander after 4-5 shots, wheras now its hitting the same spot even after 10 rounds.

Broke the firing pin in 2016; same gunsmith machined me up a new one.

From what I have researched, mine is a Krico M603 'Stecher', which should decode to a series 1 model 600(manuf. 1962-1983) in .243 win, with a single stage trigger.
The 22-250 model might have been the M604, as far as I can figure out.
Never seen the adjustable single trigger; I was only aware of the single stage, and the Double 'Set' trigger, which I think was called some like an 'Einschlabsug'.

The bolt seems like a toy, when compared to a Parker Hale (Mauser) or Winchester bolt.

A neighbour has the .222; looks like it might be the 2nd series.

A very sweet under-valued rifle, in my opinion. Mine happily pokks things way out past 350 metres; plenty good enough for me. Light as a feather, and bloody accurate.

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Re: Swan barrels

Post by bigrich » 27 Mar 2018, 4:35 pm

thanks for the info Rod, it's really hard to get info on krico as they were a small business compared to some of the other makers. they seemed to have different models and model numbers for different foreign markets. at a educated guess, i think my model krico came with the double set triggers overseas . they are very light weight aren't they ? i bought a old 22lr 300 deluxe, made around '59 - '60 near as i can work out. wobbly worn trigger and out shot my CZ 2 E . been into krico's ever since. the actions are stronger than they look , the 700 series is just a longer version of the 600 series. they handle 30-06 , 8mm rem mag so must be good. gunsmiths tell me the steel is of high qaulity. krico's wear out barrels but not the actions apparently. swan barrels did a good job on my rifles, cant wait to do some more developement work on loads. any more info or leads on krico's in need of resuection would be appreciated rod , cheers, :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Re: Swan barrels

Post by Rod_outbak » 27 Mar 2018, 9:41 pm

No problems.

From what I know, the Krico rifle were sold in the US under the 'Tradewinds' brand, and I think later models were sold under the 'Husky' brand.
I know the Tradewinds models tended to use very similar model numbers to the one I have.

My understanding is that the company 'Kreigescorte & Co', of Stuttgart, have died and been reborn around 3 times. I have a suspicion that the factory is now based in another city in Europe, but that they still make actions for other manufacturers. Somewhere, I saw images of their current actions, and they look very similar to the action I have, but my understanding is they arent parts-compatible.

I do have a parts diagram somewhere; I think I downloaded it from an online book. Pretty low-res, but it gave me an idea on how hard it was going to be to replace the firing pin.
I have been told the Krico triggers are proprietry, and it's next to impossible to retro-fit another trigger to them. If it wasnt going to be a one-way street, I'd love to lighten the trigger slightly on this one, but it cant be un-done if it gets too light.

From the few notes I have:
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Gunsmith [Stuart Gavin - Rockhampton] whom replaced the Krico barrel says he can likely machine a new firing pin for under $100, provided it isnt too complicated. [which he did - works perfectly]

There is a Kindle book titled "Bolt Action Rifles - Expanded 4th Edition". In it, the author details the Tradewinds M600 rifle, and I quote:-
[In 1968 TRADEWINDS, Inc., began importing a lightweight bolt-action sporting rifle they called the Tradewinds 600.
The rifles (in two versions) were made by Kriegeskorte & Co., Stuttgart-Hedelfingen, West Germany, makers of the well-known Krico brand rifles.
The 600S has a standard single-stage trigger and open sights, while the 600K has a double-set trigger and a barrel without sights.
Both have checkered walnut stocks, sling swivels, 23.62” barrels, and they were made in 222, 222 Magnum, 223, 22-250, 243 and 308.
All of the 22-caliber barrels have a rifling twist of one turn in 14”, the 243 has a 1:10” twist and the 308 a 1:12” twist. They weigh about 6.75 pounds.
Barreled actions were once available in the calibers listed above, the metal parts completely finished and blued, ready to be dropped into a stock.
The DS model features a double-set trigger, while the S model has a standard single-stage trigger.
Actions for the 222 cartridge family were designated Model 6128; that made for the 308 family, which includes the 22-250, was the Model 6357.

Zwoll, Wayne (2003-10-15). Bolt Action Rifles (Kindle Locations 18377-18383). F+W Media, Inc.. Kindle Edition.]

I found a basic parts diagram at the end of that chapter, that suggests it is a pretty simple firing pin.

My understanding is that our rifle is a Krico M603 'Stecher', which should decode to a series 1 model 600(manuf. 1962-1983) in .243 win, with a single stage trigger.

Model 601: .222 Remintgon - Neighbour has one of these
Model 602: .222 Remington Magnum
Model 603: .243 Winchester
Model 604: - Not Listed - Possibly .22-250
Model 605: .308 Winchester
Model 606: 5.6x57

Our Krico would likely be the equivalent of the Tradewinds M600S-6357 [.243 Win].

Interesting that it seems that by 1968, Krico were producing the same action for other brand names, rather than my understanding that they were re-branding for the US market.
It makes me wonder if there were other European rifle makers that used this action as well.
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