Would a safe like this comply with Cat H storage in NSW??

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Would a safe like this comply with Cat H storage in NSW??

Post by Zappa » 22 Jun 2024, 9:29 pm

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/255529414163

I need to update my safe and possibly moving to NSW in the near future. currently in the ACT. I'd be storing my 6 handguns , some ammo and personal valuables.

The door is 12mm thickness so I'm assuming the body is at least half that. A bonus is that it's on castors and I wont have to cut the skirting board when I fix it against the wall. btw, if the safe doesn't not span wall studs spacings, what solution is there other than mounting to floor? :)
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Re: Would a safe like this comply with Cat H storage in NSW?

Post by bladeracer » 23 Jun 2024, 11:34 am

Zappa wrote:https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/255529414163

I need to update my safe and possibly moving to NSW in the near future. currently in the ACT. I'd be storing my 6 handguns , some ammo and personal valuables.

The door is 12mm thickness so I'm assuming the body is at least half that. A bonus is that it's on castors and I wont have to cut the skirting board when I fix it against the wall. btw, if the safe doesn't not span wall studs spacings, what solution is there other than mounting to floor? :)


No idea if it complies but it looks pretty good to me. The castors look like a weakness though as they allow getting a lever under the safe to break it from the wall, I'd remove those so it's flat on the floor. There should be at least one stud behind the safe, which I think is sufficient, legally. Otherwise cut out a square of the wall lining, put in nogs where you need them, patch the lining and mount the safe. If you do only have one stud behind I would probably screw a larger sheet of 12mm ply to the wall first, spanning several studs. If the safe is only attached to one stud, against a Gyproc wall, it would still be pretty easy to rotate the safe to either side tearing through the Gyproc. Unless it's the only safe you have I wouldn't be storing ammo in there or personal stuff. Ideally, the only reason you should ever be opening it is to access your firearms. The more times you open it the greater the risk of forgetting to close it. Ammo goes in a locked ammo box elsewhere.

I mounted my handgun safe in a corner of a cupboard on top of a rifle safe, bolted into all three surfaces. Virtually impossible to get it out without destroying the walls, but it is a little fiddly accessing it. Being handguns though I'm not going to be in there every day like the rifle safes.

If you move from ACT to NSW don't you have to apply for a NSW licence?
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Re: Would a safe like this comply with Cat H storage in NSW?

Post by Zappa » 23 Jun 2024, 12:05 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Zappa wrote:https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/255529414163
If you move from ACT to NSW don't you have to apply for a NSW licence?


I cant really get this thing into the corner so it will be mounted off the ground onto a gyprock wall stud. My house will be monitored as well as the safe so any violent vibration without the presence of a RFID \ NFC tag ( mobile phone) will set off the house alarm.

just need to make sure it complies with regulations.

I'll need to apply for license transfer eventually but I'll need to comply with the State's storage laws immediately. I'll be going from 3mm safe to 6mm minimum.
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Post by bladeracer » 23 Jun 2024, 12:12 pm

Zappa wrote:I cant really get this thing into the corner so it will be mounted off the ground onto a gyprock wall stud. My house will be monitored as well as the safe so any violent vibration without the presence of a RFID \ NFC tag ( mobile phone) will set off the house alarm.

just need to make sure it complies with regulations.

I'll need to apply for license transfer eventually but I'll need to comply with the State's storage laws immediately. I'll be going from 3mm safe to 6mm minimum.


I would think it would comply.

Can you transfer the licence? I thought you have to apply for a new NSW licence?
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Re: Would a safe like this comply with Cat H storage in NSW?

Post by No1Mk3 » 23 Jun 2024, 1:30 pm

Just make sure the body of the safe really is 6mm, don't just "assume". NSW Cat H level 2 storage needs 6mm thickness all around. As for mounting to wall studs, Level 2 requires 4 galvanised hex screws minimum 8x65mm rear and/or floor (joists), so 2 in the back and 2 in the floor is OK. For concrete/brick or stone 4 masonry anchors minimum 10x90mm.
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Post by Zappa » 23 Jun 2024, 1:35 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Can you transfer the licence? I thought you have to apply for a new NSW licence?


Apparently not a straight transfer like a drivers license. :?

Apply online with your interstate firearms license details and of course your credit card. ( I just renewed my ACT lic not so long ago. I doubt I'd get a refund).
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Post by bladeracer » 23 Jun 2024, 1:54 pm

Zappa wrote:
bladeracer wrote:
Can you transfer the licence? I thought you have to apply for a new NSW licence?


Apparently not a straight transfer like a drivers license. :?

Apply online with your interstate firearms license details and of course your credit card. ( I just renewed my ACT lic not so long ago. I doubt I'd get a refund).


Yes, when I moved to Vic the driver's licence was very simple to transfer.
https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/131165/Interstate_Residents_moving_NSW_FACT_SHEET.pdf
My brother moved from Canberra to Gunning and had to apply for a new licence, no transfer. I think they do a pro-rata refund.
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Post by yoshie » 23 Jun 2024, 8:10 pm

You will be able to get a refund
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Post by Zappa » 24 Jun 2024, 11:44 am

No1Mk3 wrote: Level 2 requires 4 galvanised hex screws minimum 8x65mm rear and/or floor (joists), so 2 in the back and 2 in the floor is OK. For concrete/brick or stone 4 masonry anchors minimum 10x90mm.


I thought about welding or bolting the L2 Safe to my existing catAB safe but I dont think that would fly with the Regulators.
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Re: Would a safe like this comply with Cat H storage in NSW?

Post by Bugman » 24 Jun 2024, 4:36 pm

I think you need to (if you already haven't) look at the NSW FAR regs in regards to ssafe requirements etc. Then if still not sure, ring the registry and speak to someone ( always ask the person, their name, and you record that, plus time and day of the enquiry).
The problem with getting info from well meaning people is that the info obtained will mean little to the police officer inspecting your new digs. How do I know this, from personal experience. The questions you have asked here, ( and some good replies given) should be addressed to the Firearms registry or if you can, the licencing copper at the nearest police station to where you will be living.
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