Pull through's / Bore snakes

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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by Zappa » 27 Mar 2019, 8:41 pm

Mattraff wrote: I can't see how you could cause damage with them.


There's a school of thought that they damage the crown over an extended period of time and 50,000 cleans.

I use three for each of my diff calibre rifles.
One to clean with a quick spritz of cleaning fluid, the other to wipe the fluid and the third to wipe it dry. Evey few months I chuck them in a laundry bag and stick them in the washing machine then in the dryer.

They work a treat.
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by on_one_wheel » 27 Mar 2019, 9:56 pm

50 000 cleans !!!
I wouldn't expect 50 000 shots from a rifle let alone needing to cleaning one 50 000 times with a snake.

If my calculations are correct, at once a week that would take me 961 years...
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by Zappa » 27 Mar 2019, 10:52 pm

I threw that number up there because it sounds ridiculous as much as soft nylon from a bore snake wearing down a muzzle crown.
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by on_one_wheel » 28 Mar 2019, 9:43 am

Zappa wrote:I threw that number up there because it sounds ridiculous as much as soft nylon from a bore snake wearing down a muzzle crown.

:lol: got ya :thumbsup:
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by SCJ429 » 28 Mar 2019, 8:06 pm

Yet the science is clear that the friction of a bore snake will abrade your muzzle.
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by flutch » 30 Mar 2019, 4:03 am

I use them, my rifles still clover leaf at 100m, and I fire A LOT of rounds. and call me ignorant but a cloth bore snake with a tiny bit of copper brushing in it vs a copper bullet through a chromium steel bore.... how can pulling a bore-snake through a bore possibly be more abrasive than the combination of heat, fire, friction and metal from firing a round?
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by SCJ429 » 30 Mar 2019, 9:34 am

When you pull the cord out of the muzzle it is impossible to pull it out exactly parallel with the bore axis every time. This friction on the crown wears it away and effects accuracy.

The same thing wears away the chamber when you use a cleaning rod which is why people use a bore guide.
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by Die Judicii » 30 Mar 2019, 11:01 am

Not a single one of you blokes thus far have mentioned using bore snakes in a .17

I have found that is the only way I can clean mine.
Mind you, I don't use it all that often.
When I bought the rifle, (CZ 453 .17 HMR) I also bought a quality one piece cleaning rod, brushes and mops.

Unfortunately they were tighter than a virgin and I could never get em through, and the last time I tried, the rod itself gave up.
Hence the use of the snake.

Any one else had the same difficulty ?
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by bigpete » 30 Mar 2019, 1:35 pm

Yep,I use a bore snake in my 17 too DJ
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by Zappa » 30 Mar 2019, 2:13 pm

SCJ429 wrote:When you pull the cord out of the muzzle it is impossible to pull it out exactly parallel with the bore axis every time. This friction on the crown wears it away and effects accuracy.

The same thing wears away the chamber when you use a cleaning rod which is why people use a bore guide.



I wonder if anyone has empirical data on how many cleaning strokes it would require to wear the crown at the point of affecting its accuracy.
Is it in the same realm as firing 40,000 rounds ?

As a rule, keep the snakes clean with a regular wash or ultrasonic cleaner, pull straight out and you shouldn't have an issue. If you're paranoid you could make a plastic sleeve to insert into the muzzle crown when you're pulling the snake through, but I dont think it warrants it.
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by flutch » 30 Mar 2019, 3:42 pm

SCJ429 wrote:When you pull the cord out of the muzzle it is impossible to pull it out exactly parallel with the bore axis every time. This friction on the crown wears it away and effects accuracy.

The same thing wears away the chamber when you use a cleaning rod which is why people use a bore guide.



ok i am going to setup an experiment, I will polish a piece of steel equivalent to gunmetal, then I will rig my power hacksaw with a boresnake and set it to seesaw across it. I will take measurements with a micrometer, I will work out how many strokes per minute it does, then I will let it run for approximately 2000 strokes, IF there is any difference in the thickness of the material I will concede that after using a boresnake 2000 times a gun MAY be affected. using a cleaning rod that has metal parts is a different scenario, I will also do the same experiment with some thick copper wire, run it for 2000 cycles or until it breaks whatever comes first... can almost guarantee the copper will be exponentially more detrimental...
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by SCJ429 » 30 Mar 2019, 5:31 pm

Sounds very scientific, I will be interested in your results.
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by Die Judicii » 30 Mar 2019, 6:34 pm

flutch wrote:Ok i am going to setup an experiment, I will polish a piece of steel equivalent to gunmetal, then I will rig my power hacksaw with a boresnake and set it to seesaw across it. I will take measurements with a micrometer, I will work out how many strokes per minute it does, then I will let it run for approximately 2000 strokes, IF there is any difference in the thickness of the material I will concede that after using a boresnake 2000 times a gun MAY be affected. using a cleaning rod that has metal parts is a different scenario, I will also do the same experiment with some thick copper wire, run it for 2000 cycles or until it breaks whatever comes first... can almost guarantee the copper will be exponentially more detrimental...


Nevertheless, in the bizarre world of metalurgy,,,,,, a softer metal can and does under certain conditions wear away a harder metal.

I commend your "scientific" experiment however your "piece" of metal would not only have to match all the qualities of a rifle barrel, and that would only begin the experiment.
You would also have to replicate heat, cycling, friction, abrasiveness, possible crystallization, etc etc to get a true comparison.

Interesting though,, :clap:
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by flutch » 02 Apr 2019, 11:17 am

Ok so after much a-do searching online I found more forums and sources stating that bore snakes are perfectly safe and do 0 crown or bore damage than the ever present myth that they do... even with the fouling built up on the snake there is a dead end of actual proof that it causes any issues.
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by TassieTiger » 02 Apr 2019, 12:45 pm

This experiment should put a few minds at ease...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=udGpIbFHnXM
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by Zappa » 02 Apr 2019, 2:14 pm

TassieTiger wrote:This experiment should put a few minds at ease...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=udGpIbFHnXM



Didn't exactly show us cutting the barrel with a bore snake ... :sarcasm:

but I get the point.
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by flutch » 03 Apr 2019, 10:45 am

TassieTiger wrote:This experiment should put a few minds at ease...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=udGpIbFHnXM



yeah I conclusively think that the bore snake rhetoric is just naysayers wanting to put s**t on others. Nothing substantial to any of it... just more of the same, "I dont want/use it so must be s**t/harmful"
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Re: Pull through's / Bore snakes

Post by bladeracer » 03 Apr 2019, 5:35 pm

flutch wrote:
TassieTiger wrote:This experiment should put a few minds at ease...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=udGpIbFHnXM



yeah I conclusively think that the bore snake rhetoric is just naysayers wanting to put s**t on others. Nothing substantial to any of it... just more of the same, "I dont want/use it so must be s**t/harmful"


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