2mm thick safes

[Zappa]

How can you market something ' Super heavy Duty:" 14 gun safe with only 2mm thick walls? Without a structural skeleton and at that size surely the walls loose their tensile rigidity. Not to mention can contort , causing the door to bind over time.

20 gun safes with 2mm housing thickness and 3mm doors are a joke.

[bladeracer]

How can you market something ' Super heavy Duty:" 14 gun safe with only 2mm thick walls? Without a structural skeleton and at that size surely the walls loose their tensile rigidity. Not to mention can contort , causing the door to bind over time.

20 gun safes with 2mm housing thickness and 3mm doors are a joke.

Are you assuming this or has this been your experience?
I haven't had any problems with mine, and I have several. I can't see how it can possibly distort when it's bolted to the floor and wall of a building. The door frame is a channel so it's pretty rigid.
2mm sheet can be gotten through with an axe, eventually, but anything can be.

[Zappa]

My recent experience with the 8 gun safe I purchased a while back (and promptly returned), was as flimsy as a coke can. I had problems with the door closing because it was bent out of shape, not squaring up to the frame. When I attempted to 'co-erse' it back into shape, i could feel the safe contorting a bit.
I never did bolt it down, but not sure it would have bought it back into alignment. I would have to make sure my floor was perfectly level beforehand though. ;p

A 20 gun safe has on average a 650mm depth (span) . With a 2mm wall knowing that'll be picking up at least 14 guns, I think my time with a few swings of a sharp axe would be worthwhile. Would 3mm thickness be any better ? I doubt it.

[bladeracer]

My recent experience with the 8 gun safe I purchased a while back (and promptly returned), was as flimsy as a coke can. I had problems with the door closing because it was bent out of shape, not squaring up to the frame. When I attempted to 'co-erse' it back into shape, i could feel the safe contorting a bit.
I never did bolt it down, but not sure it would have bought it back into alignment. I would have to make sure my floor was perfectly level beforehand though. ;p

A 20 gun safe has on average a 650mm depth (span) . With a 2mm wall knowing that'll be picking up at least 14 guns, I think my time with a few swings of a sharp axe would be worthwhile. Would 3mm thickness be any better ? I doubt it.

Safes are not designed to be impregnable, they are simply to make the job harder than what the thieves might find elsewhere. Electronic safes can be opened _very easily_ by waving a large magnet around until it moves the solenoid. I opened a locked safe by simply drilling right through the key hole, then reaching in and opening it - maybe ten minutes as I wasn't trying to damage it irreparably, a thief would've been much faster.

If your goal is to prevent your firearms being stolen you do not want to rely on a commercial safe to do it.

[pomemax]

Old saying "Locks are meant for honest people" same with gun safes I just think of it as I know where all my firearms are now used to be all over the place .

[Sergeant Hartman]

The strength of something often comes to not just the basic thickness but how it's bend. If you look at some brackets you can see how building ridges (yes very technical term) makes them stronger.

With your safe you bought a cheap Chinese safe from eBay..... what did you expect.

The spika or lockaway ones would be better but not much better. If you really want hard safe, then get a custom one from a specialist safecompany, saw one on youtube, and they use hardened metal and aluminium sandwich together for strength, defence against a blowtorch and angle grinder.

[Zappa]

If you can recess those 2mm safes into a wall or the ground , it would make them x10 stronger. One would have to fiddle with the door to crack it open.

SA have some odd regs. If the firearms are to be stored in an outbuilding, the safe has to be of a class 2 spec. ie... 3mm. . As if to say that extra 1mm ( from a class 1 ) would make all the difference someone trying to open up your safe in the shed.

[bladeracer]

If you can recess those 2mm safes into a wall or the ground , it would make them x10 stronger. One would have to fiddle with the door to crack it open.

SA have some odd regs. If the firearms are to be stored in an outbuilding, the safe has to be of a class 2 spec. ie... 3mm. . As if to say that extra 1mm ( from a class 1 ) would make all the difference someone trying to open up your safe in the shed.

Opening them via the lock is a whole lot easier than cutting or smashing them open. Even easier is to threaten a loved one until you open it for them.

[Zappa]

I just think of it as I know where all my firearms are now used to be all over the place .

That's the crux of it. Instilling some form of responsibility to firearm owners to lock them up away from kids and 'animals'.

Even easier is to threaten a loved one until you open it for them.

Indeed. I'm also concered if my place is ever broken into, to lift my TV and game console, someone will spot the gun safe and come back for it.

[No1Mk3]

Dunno why people would bag Chinese safes, Spika and Lokaway also use 2mm steel for the sides in their 14 gun safes, and Spika is Chinese made anyway. Here in Vic, hardwood is suitable for a safe ( Act says "not easily penetrable", great definition I think not) I have seen school/work lockers fitted with double pins pass inspection, but most DFO's are cracking it with them. As Zappa and pomemax noted, the intent is to prevent the "snatch and grab" thief, children and unauthorized from accessing your firearms so if you want real security, custom made safes with laminate materials or buy a re-purposed bank/security safe of which many can be found for under $2000, Cheers.

[Noisydad]

I’ve contemplated building a composite 2mm safe clad in heavy hardwood to look like a domestic wardrobe and with a concealed lock and a concealed operating handle.
Got too many other “wanna do” jobs already and I need to stop dreaming up projects.

[Blr243]

Zappa. To answer your original question HOW DO YOU MARKET SOMETHING SUPER HEAVY DUTY.......... marketing is about sales and profit. It has absolutely nothing to do with honesty and integrity

[Sergeant Hartman]

Well there is no defined value for super heavy duty.

Probably normal dirty is 0.55mm then 1mm as heavy duty and 2mm as super heavy duty.

My China comment was more related to spinal probably get their safes at a certain minimum quality while a eBay seller will get the cheapest item.

I got a pressure washer a few years ago, it was good, when it died, went back to same seller, he had different product same name, third time he himself said the quality was s**t that time as people don't wanna pay for better quality. Now I see he has a pressure washer with a starter solenoid..... all these pressure washer were the around the same price.

[pomemax]

[quote="Zappa"][hat's the crux of it. Instilling some form of responsibility to firearm owners to lock them up away from kids and 'animals'.


Sorry mate you have that backwards in years gone buy You had to know where you were putting them was safe.

A metal box is a false sense of security , now you lock them in the safe and assume they are safe.

Back in the day you had to know where they were and safe, funny thing my kids always knew where they were and knew better that to even think of going near them without dad because they were taught to respect firearms not be locked away from them , both of them knew how to shoot for a farily early age.

I never had any animal smart enough to get a gun out and start shooting them , if your refering to human "animals " they all can see the safe now so they know where the firearms are and steel boxes can be opened in seconds

Now Here IS the Crux People think safes are responsible for keeping firearms safe they are NOT, the people that own them are always have been