Gun racks as permanent storage?

[stevy]

Does anyone know if anyone in Australia makes a gun rack type of cabinet that is also up to Aus storage law standards?

Like you see in the US movies or wherever, where storage laws are more liberal and it's as much about displaying the firearms as storing them? You know the things...

I'm imagining something like a steel rack with a closing bit over the top and bottom so there isn't enough room to pull the rifles out, and a bar through the trigger guards for the middle or whatever is required.

It would be secure, but still on show if you get it?

Is such a thing possible in Australia?

[yoshie]

I think dealers can get special approval to store guns like that (and also behind glass), like at the gun shop.

They can't be visible from outside the shop etc and they need 24hour security. Collectors can get it as well like you see at the RSL.

I don't think sporting shooter would get that approval but you'd never know unless you ask.

I'd go with the line that they "need to be stored horizontally and a specially constructed humidity controlled environment to protect your assets" opposed to "oh yeah wanna show em off to me mates" reason.

Give them a reason they will find hard to knock back.

[tom604]

They would most likely want bullet proof glass or at least a cabinet that exceeds the standards they have now. Doable but costly.

[yoshie]

they would most likely want bullet proof glass or at least a cabinet that exceeds the standards they have now. doable but costly

Yeah wouldn't be cheap. Bullet proof glass isn't glass is a perspex polycarbonate. UV light breaks it down so it's 'bullet proofness' diminishes over time and exposure levels.

[VICHunter]

I think dealers can get special approval to store guns like that (and also behind glass), like at the gun shop.

I can't remember where I read this (could be wrong, happy to be corrected) but I'm pretty sure the dealer display setup like that is contingent on the rest of the security requirements a dealer is subject too.

e.g. At my local they have the display guns/shelfs, but security rollers closed over them at night. At another they have locked glass cabinets but the rifles are also locked by the barrel and trigger guard to the wall.

On top of that you have all the buildings security. Barred windows, monitored alarm etc. etc.

Less focus on storage inside the building e.g. a gun safe, when the whole building is the real safe.

[subatom]

I reckon if you can get your hands on it at all, secured or not, it's a no.

I've read (internet comment, not official) is that the concern is you could potentially manually feed the action and fire it.

Could be someone making ideas up, but sounds like the kind of thing they worry about here...

[stevy]

Thanks guys.

I was hoping for an off the shelf option bought straight from the store. Not getting something custom made to serious specs.

Not to be I guess.

[lole]

I think the closest thing we get to a nice display is a good looking gun safe.

Browning?

[agentzero]

I'll take a nice forest green

[stevy]

I've only got 2 rifles.

One of those Browning gun safes is going to be just a bit of overkill

[redrum]

Only two rifles so far...

[Warrigul]

In tas you aren't allowed to have the firearms visible, the front of my my Uncle's gun cabinet was/is made from 3/4" armoured glass (no ****** it actually was bulletproof glass from a testing facility in Sweden- long story) in a bisalloy frame and they still knocked it back for domestic storage.

Apparently it is so people don't realise you have firearms stored there (like the WINCHESTER logo on some cabinets isn't a giveaway)

When you see them at RSL's etc they usually have a museum licence with all sorts of strict conditions, usually the firearms are inoperative.

[Tiiger]

Apparently it is so people don't realise you have firearms stored there (like the WINCHESTER logo on some cabinets isn't a giveaway)

Maybe you can go one step further with a sign...

Dear criminals,

There are no guns in this gun safe, honestly. Please ignore it as it's empty... No need to break into it...

Kind regards,
...

That'll work, right?

[Wes]

Apparently it is so people don't realise you have firearms stored there (like the WINCHESTER logo on some cabinets isn't a giveaway)

Yeah... Don't have a custom safe, go buy a safe made by a firearms industry manufacturer.

That's much less obvious that you have guns...

[Techc]

Apparently it is so people don't realise you have firearms stored there (like the WINCHESTER logo on some cabinets isn't a giveaway)

I imagine that to a burglar a safe is a safe is a safe.

There is going to be "good stuff" in it, firearms or otherwise and it will be a target. It's not like they're going to ignore it once they find it...

You'd think the focus would be on security, not appearances, but I guess not.

[Apollo]

Rather than asking for opinions on the Forum and getting replies from those in other states it's much easier to read the requirements from the NSW Firearms Registry under the NSW Act.

SAFE STORAGE – GUN RACKS/GUN SHACKLES
http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/ass ... TORAGE.pdf

[Grrzrr]

Sections 40 and 41 of the Act state that firearms must be in a ‘locked receptacle’ made of hardwood or steel or a ‘locked steel safe’. In order to take all reasonable precautions to ensure the safety of the firearm and to ensure that the firearm does not come into the hands of an unauthorised person the firearm should not be readily visible. Therefore, the reference to a ‘receptacle’ in sections 40 and 41 of the Act is taken to mean a fully enclosed container where the firearms are not visible to the public.

A gun rack or gun shackle allows the firearms to be on display, which is not compliant with the minimum requirements of safe storage for either AB or CDH firearms, nor is it compliant with the general requirement of section 39 or the principles and objects of the Act.

There you go.

[stevy]

Crap...

Thanks guys.

[Wes]

One of those Browning gun safes is going to be just a bit of overkill

But they're so pretty