Bipods

[Oldbloke]

I have a recent idea relating to a pair of shooting sticks but have not yet tested it or thought it through in detail. Both are two legs not three and knotted so the Knott slides where required and home made .. the first set supports the front of the rifle and when someone else views the hunter from 90 degrees side on the legs are not plumb but the bases angled slightly towards the shooter . The second set is supporting the rear of the rifle ( not exactly sure where ) and this time the legs are again not plumb but angled slightly away from the shooters body. So from side on there is sort of a V effect. So when knots are adjusted to approximate correct heights , theoretically u should be able to slightly rock the body back and forth for perfect elevation and shot placement. My next hunt will be away from vegetation free paddock s and I expect I will have to deal with potentially long grass so I fully intend taking sticks with me

https://youtu.be/8L2Kgmvs_PY

And this

https://youtu.be/cN5FSYJvP9k


https://youtu.be/Z0iqQX8FW7Q

https://youtu.be/ALdCDtrlWBk

[Lazarus]

Solved, temporarily, at least.

I took the camera head off my tripod and the bolt was the same, I just screwed the V from the stick rest, straight on to the tripod.

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[bigpete]

Solved, temporarily, at least.

I took the camera head off my tripod and the bolt was the same, I just screwed the V from the stick rest, straight on to the tripod.

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How tall does it go ?

[Blr243]

Thank OB. ALASKA GRANNY is a funny username

[Lazarus]

How tall does it go ?

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[bigpete]

That doesn't really give me much to go on lol

[Oldbloke]

Yeh, a number would be good. Lol

[Lazarus]

3?

[Lazarus]

With legs retraced and the neck wound in, 500mm

With the legs and neck extended 1500, which puts the saddle at perfect height for standing.

[bigpete]

With legs retraced and the neck wound in, 500mm

With the legs and neck extended 1500, which puts the saddle at perfect height for standing.

While i liked 3,that is a much more useful answer lol

[Lazarus]

Couldn't resist, facetious being my middle name and all.

[bigpete]

I cant blame you lol.

Well,I just bought one off ebay,here's hoping its good

[Gamerancher]

Blr243, unless your rifle freely slides through your "sticks", I believe that set up will tend to lift your rifle under recoil causing the shot to go high.

[Blr243]

Good thinking GR

[Boundry Rider]

Recoil won’t affect the sticks and therefore the poi until after the projectile has departed the barrel. Watch super slow mo for evidence of this.

[deye243]

Millions of benchrest and long-range Precision Shooters around the world will completely disagree with that me included

[Gamerancher]

Recoil won’t affect the sticks and therefore the poi until after the projectile has departed the barrel. Watch super slow mo for evidence of this.

Yeah, that's why benchrest and F-class shooters don't worry about their rifles "jumping"
We shoot off cross-sticks in BPCR silhouette and the long-range events. I watch blokes lean their sticks forward, fire a shot and see it go high, every time.
Any movement of the barrel in the moment of firing has an effect on the bullet, no matter what type of rifle is being used. The direction of that movement imparts that same movement to the bullet.

[Boundry Rider]

Flinch, pull, poor trigger follow through technique, firing pin lockup and barrel torque are all effective prior to projectile leaving the barrel and will all affect POI.
People confuse the affect of barrel torque with recoil.

Regarding these 4 stick setup probably these will effect moreso with this stick application as the angles of the setup will accelerate the activity. The recoil using these sticks may look terrible and tip the barrel up will not affect POI

Thats my advice

[Gamerancher]

So you say all of the things you have listed will have an influence on the P.O.I of the bullet, but not the rifle moving on whatever rest you use.
Sorry brother but it does.
For good accuracy it is important to reduce all negative influences. Setting the rifle up so that it will rise under recoil is one that can be avoided. Getting the rifle to recoil straight back without jumping or twisting will give far better accuracy.

[Oldbloke]

I agree with gamerancher. Any movement for any reason will effect accuracy.

As far as stix go. For hunting, any is better than none. Its just about compromise, accuracy, convenience, speed, weight, size, method of hunting.

Mono's IMO are close to useless.

The traditional 2 stix are what I use and very user friendly and provide good accuracy out to about 170 yards.
Perhaps a bit further with practice.

Tripods a bit better than 2 stix.

The 4 stick, no experience. But really only for walking.

[Gamerancher]

I use cross-sticks for long range blackpowder shooting out to 1000 yards. Set up and used correctly they can be as stable as a bench, especially from prone.

[deye243]

Gee ID like to see somebody shoot a 1.8 inch group at 1000 yards using sticks

[Oldbloke]

I use cross-sticks for long range blackpowder shooting out to 1000 yards. Set up and used correctly they can be as stable as a bench, especially from prone.

I would disagree with that. But some do use them and get great results. I wouldn't be without mine.

[Gamerancher]

Gee ID like to see somebody shoot a 1.8 inch group at 1000 yards using sticks

Who said anything about that? 1.8", who shot that by the way, I though the record was 2.68"
Not talking about 50+ lb benchrest rifles basically set up on rails with 80 power scopes either.

I realise we've gotten a bit off-track from the O.P's original topic and my apologies to them.
The style of cross-sticks we use are allowed to have up to 3" spikes set into the ground.
I'm talking about front of the rifle supported, with shoulder support only for the butt.
On most of our B.P rifles it's on the barrel about 4-5" from the muzzle but then again our barrels aren't the size of drinking straws ,
We also only use iron sights.
Here's an average group from my .40-70 Sharps on a silhouette ram @ 500m ( I have done better )

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The sticks are self-supporting

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[Lazarus]

Nice shooting GR
Hughie has been running a Shetland Islands themed weather program here so I haven't tested the Frankenstick yet but there's much to be said for 2 bits of wood and some string.

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[Gamerancher]

Sure is.

[deye243]

Gee ID like to see somebody shoot a 1.8 inch group at 1000 yards using sticks

Who said anything about that? 1.8", who shot that by the way, I though the record was 2.68"
Not talking about 50+ lb benchrest rifles basically set up on rails with 80 power scopes either.

I realise we've gotten a bit off-track from the O.P's original topic and my apologies to them.
The style of cross-sticks we use are allowed to have up to 3" spikes set into the ground.
I'm talking about front of the rifle supported, with shoulder support only for the butt.
On most of our B.P rifles it's on the barrel about 4-5" from the muzzle but then again our barrels aren't the size of drinking straws ,
We also only use iron sights.
Here's an average group from my .40-70 Sharps on a silhouette ram @ 500m ( I have done better )

ram group.jpg

The sticks are self-supporting

200m setup.jpg

Well you did as soon as you said bench rest add my apologies you are correct for some reason I thought it was 1.60 something you are correct sir
Oh and by the way that is some very good shooting with that rifle you have their

[Gamerancher]

Okay, to clarify, I said "bench" not "benchrest", meaning the average bloke shooting his rifle off a bench, not the competition or the type of equipment they use.
Cross-sticks give excellent vertical and horizontal stability to the front of your rifle, (which, getting back to my original point, is why it is important to not have them describe an upwards arc under recoil), the back, well, that's up to us.
Think of them as a portable fencepost, log , tree-fork, etc...basically an "old-school" bipod... oh, that's right, that's where we started.

[Oldbloke]

Okay, to clarify, I said "bench" not "benchrest", meaning the average bloke shooting his rifle off a bench, not the competition or the type of equipment they use.
Cross-sticks give excellent vertical and horizontal stability to the front of your rifle, (which, getting back to my original point, is why it is important to not have them describe an upwards arc under recoil), the back, well, that's up to us.
Think of them as a portable fencepost, log , tree-fork, etc...basically an "old-school" bipod... oh, that's right, that's where we started.

I'd agree with that.

[Gamerancher]

Seems to work okay for me...

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