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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by mchughcb » 15 Apr 2023, 12:52 am

Oldbloke wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:
Fionn wrote:

As I said before, I am here for entertainment
, I love watching people making a fool of themselves and then doubling down on it.


Don't interact with this pigeon. The more he posts the more pigeon sh1t he drops in the forum. By his own admission is only here for his entertainment.
Certainly not to provide any useful information or intelligent conversation.


Counts you out then.
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Oldbloke » 15 May 2023, 10:42 pm

mchughcb wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:
Fionn wrote:

As I said before, I am here for entertainment
, I love watching people making a fool of themselves and then doubling down on it.


Don't interact with this pigeon. The more he posts the more pigeon sh1t he drops in the forum. By his own admission is only here for his entertainment.
Certainly not to provide any useful information or intelligent conversation.


Counts you out then.


Huh. What a stupid comment.
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by animalpest » 15 May 2023, 10:46 pm

As I said before, I am here for entertainment[/b], I love watching people making a fool of themselves and then doubling down on it.[/quote][/quote]

Don't interact with this pigeon. The more he posts the more pigeon sh1t he drops in the forum. By his own admission is only here for his entertainment.
Certainly not to provide any useful information or intelligent conversation.[/quote]

Counts you out then.[/quote]

Huh. What a stupid comment.[/quote]

That is a disappointing post. Shows your personal distaste not backed by evidence. On all the forums I follow, this one is far the worst for personal attacks. So sad
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Oldbloke » 16 May 2023, 6:27 am

animalpest wrote:As I said before, I am here for entertainment[/b], I love watching people making a fool of themselves and then doubling down on it.
[/quote]

Don't interact with this pigeon. The more he posts the more pigeon sh1t he drops in the forum. By his own admission is only here for his entertainment.
Certainly not to provide any useful information or intelligent conversation.[/quote]

Counts you out then.[/quote]

Huh. What a stupid comment.[/quote]

That is a disappointing post. Shows your personal distaste not backed by evidence. On all the forums I follow, this one is far the worst for personal attacks. So sad[/quote]

Doh, I called it what it was, "stupid". Not personal at all, just fact.
And a perfect example of
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Fionn » 16 May 2023, 8:29 pm

And to be clear, being here is for entertainment does not mean I don't provide useful information or intelligent conversation.

BTW Oldbloke, both your post were personal attacks as its not a fact only your opinion.
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Oldbloke » 16 May 2023, 9:11 pm

Fionn wrote:And to be clear, being here is for entertainment does not mean I don't provide useful information or intelligent conversation.

BTW Oldbloke, both your post were personal attacks as its not a fact only your opinion.


Well, that's your opinion.
Suggest u re-read your post.
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Fionn » 16 May 2023, 9:31 pm

Oldbloke wrote:
Fionn wrote:And to be clear, being here is for entertainment does not mean I don't provide useful information or intelligent conversation.

BTW Oldbloke, both your post were personal attacks as its not a fact only your opinion.


Well, that's your opinion.
Suggest u re-read your post.


You will have to explain it to me.
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Oldbloke » 17 May 2023, 9:45 am

Lol.
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Oldbloke » 19 Aug 2023, 6:04 pm

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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by bigrich » 21 Aug 2023, 6:20 am

Christ, is this mud slinging topic still going :P
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by bigpete » 21 Aug 2023, 6:45 am

Apparently :roll:
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Oldbloke » 21 Aug 2023, 9:27 am

No, just seemed to be an appropriate article.
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Oldbloke » 11 Feb 2024, 6:26 pm

Well, Fionn,

Hunter extrordinaire. You have stated at least twice that your here for the entertainment.
It's been over 14 months. So, please entertain us


Could you pls post 3 or 4 pics of all those sambar you have shot with the 357 and 45-70? :allegedly:

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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by straightshooter » 12 Feb 2024, 7:35 am

Oldbloke wrote:Well, Fionn,

Hunter extrordinaire. You have stated at least twice that your here for the entertainment.
It's been over 14 months. So, please entertain us


Could you pls post 3 or 4 pics of all those sambar you have shot with the 357 and 45-70? :allegedly:


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It seems to me that you are being a little naughty and trying to goad law abiding Mr. Fionn into making an admission of committing an offence in not complying with Victorian regulations on the minimum caliber that may be used on large deer species.
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by mchughcb » 12 Feb 2024, 9:01 am

I've shot sambar ranging from 7x57R to 416 Rem mag. Buplet weights from 150 to 400gr. They will all die but the question is how far they Run after getting hit in the boiler room in my limited experience excluding spine, head or neck shots the biggest insurance is the wound channel size.

The 7.63x39 is not going to create he wound channel that a 30-06 pushing a nosler ballistic tips at 2900fps is going to do. Or a 300Win Mag pushing 3000fps or a 308 pushing 2650fps. The bigger the wound channel the bigger the blood trail, the better the hope of finding it if you don't have a deer tracking dog.
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by bladeracer » 12 Feb 2024, 10:08 am

straightshooter wrote:Oldbloke
It seems to me that you are being a little naughty and trying to goad law abiding Mr. Fionn into making an admission of committing an offence in not complying with Victorian regulations on the minimum caliber that may be used on large deer species.


.38 Special is legal for sambar in Victoria, so .357 is probably overkill.
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by straightshooter » 12 Feb 2024, 10:19 am

My understanding is the minimums for the cartridge are:
Minimum caliber 270
Minimum bullet weight 130 grains
Minimum case length 51 mm
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by bladeracer » 12 Feb 2024, 11:26 am

straightshooter wrote:My understanding is the minimums for the cartridge are:
Minimum caliber 270
Minimum bullet weight 130 grains
Minimum case length 51 mm


Case length was removed years ago, it only requires a .270" calibre (bullet diameter) and 130gn bullet weight. Bullet design and velocity is irrelevant.
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Oldbloke » 12 Feb 2024, 1:34 pm

mchughcb wrote:I've shot sambar ranging from 7x57R to 416 Rem mag. Buplet weights from 150 to 400gr. They will all die but the question is how far they Run after getting hit in the boiler room in my limited experience excluding spine, head or neck shots the biggest insurance is the wound channel size.

The 7.63x39 is not going to create he wound channel that a 30-06 pushing a nosler ballistic tips at 2900fps is going to do. Or a 300Win Mag pushing 3000fps or a 308 pushing 2650fps. The bigger the wound channel the bigger the blood trail, the better the hope of finding it if you don't have a deer tracking dog.


In my limited experience 100% correct
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Oldbloke » 12 Feb 2024, 1:45 pm

bladeracer wrote:
straightshooter wrote:My understanding is the minimums for the cartridge are:
Minimum caliber 270
Minimum bullet weight 130 grains
Minimum case length 51 mm


Case length was removed years ago, it only requires a .270" calibre (bullet diameter) and 130gn bullet weight. Bullet design and velocity is irrelevant.


Yep, must have dropped the 2" minimum 6 -7 years ago.
Some say it was because of the winchester short magnums.
But, 270wsm is 53.3mm so is the 300wsm.

But the 243wsm case length is 42.4 mm. Guessing that triggered it. IMO should have just changed the small deer case length to 42.4mm. That would make sense, to me anyway. :lol:

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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by bigpete » 12 Feb 2024, 2:20 pm

straightshooter wrote:My understanding is the minimums for the cartridge are:
Minimum caliber 270
Minimum bullet weight 130 grains
Minimum case length 51 mm


You would be incorrect
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by bladeracer » 12 Feb 2024, 2:33 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Yep, must have dropped the 2" minimum 6 -7 years ago.
Some say it was because of the winchester short magnums.
But, 270wsm is 53.3mm so is the 300wsm.

But the 243wsm case length is 42.4 mm. Guessing that triggered it. IMO should have just changed the small deer case length to 42.4mm. That would make sense, to me anyway. :lol:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.270_Wi ... ort_Magnum


Should've done away with the entire regulation and simply refer all hunters to the Animal Welfare Act about not causing undue pain or suffering to animals, that's all we need to know.
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Oldbloke » 12 Feb 2024, 2:34 pm

God knows how many times I've posted this. Doubt anyone looks at the regulations or the pdf booklets that are provided to download on the gma website?

Perhaps people don't understand regulations/acts do get changed occassionally. They aren't set in stone.

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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by bigpete » 12 Feb 2024, 3:02 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Yep, must have dropped the 2" minimum 6 -7 years ago.
Some say it was because of the winchester short magnums.
But, 270wsm is 53.3mm so is the 300wsm.

But the 243wsm case length is 42.4 mm. Guessing that triggered it. IMO should have just changed the small deer case length to 42.4mm. That would make sense, to me anyway. :lol:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.270_Wi ... ort_Magnum


Should've done away with the entire regulation and simply refer all hunters to the Animal Welfare Act about not causing undue pain or suffering to animals, that's all we need to know.


No,should have based it on energy requirements
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Oldbloke » 12 Feb 2024, 3:08 pm

bigpete wrote:
bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Yep, must have dropped the 2" minimum 6 -7 years ago.
Some say it was because of the winchester short magnums.
But, 270wsm is 53.3mm so is the 300wsm.

But the 243wsm case length is 42.4 mm. Guessing that triggered it. IMO should have just changed the small deer case length to 42.4mm. That would make sense, to me anyway. :lol:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.270_Wi ... ort_Magnum


Should've done away with the entire regulation and simply refer all hunters to the Animal Welfare Act about not causing undue pain or suffering to animals, that's all we need to know.


No,should have based it on energy requirements


I would agree in principle. Would be good. But could be a nightmare in the courts.
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by bladeracer » 12 Feb 2024, 5:04 pm

bigpete wrote:Should've done away with the entire regulation and simply refer all hunters to the Animal Welfare Act about not causing undue pain or suffering to animals, that's all we need to know.


No, should have based it on energy requirements[/quote]

Should all be left up to the shooter as to which of his tools he best thinks is suited to the task. Energy really isn't relevant if the bullet scoots straight through the target.
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by bigpete » 12 Feb 2024, 5:19 pm

Better than relying on the individual to decide what they think is best
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by bigpete » 12 Feb 2024, 5:20 pm

Oldbloke wrote:
bigpete wrote:
bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Yep, must have dropped the 2" minimum 6 -7 years ago.
Some say it was because of the winchester short magnums.
But, 270wsm is 53.3mm so is the 300wsm.

But the 243wsm case length is 42.4 mm. Guessing that triggered it. IMO should have just changed the small deer case length to 42.4mm. That would make sense, to me anyway. :lol:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.270_Wi ... ort_Magnum


Should've done away with the entire regulation and simply refer all hunters to the Animal Welfare Act about not causing undue pain or suffering to animals, that's all we need to know.


No,should have based it on energy requirements


I would agree in principle. Would be good. But could be a nightmare in the courts.


Don't see how. Pretty simple to determine a baseline energy level on a cartridge
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Oldbloke » 12 Feb 2024, 7:49 pm

Mmmm, yes but do my hand loads achieve the minimum?

And I just shot a deer with last of the batch. (So none to test) And the officer thinks they aren't up to the job.

How do you now prove that shot had enough energy?
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Re: 7.62x39 for Sambar

Post by Gun-nut » 13 Feb 2024, 11:02 pm

Damn reading this thread was a wild ride.
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