Inland Hunting Properties - opinions on business

[Wapiti]

Hi all,
After an opinion from anyone who's used these guys, or has heard anything about their service, how they respond to enquiries from users and any other consumer issues?
All opinions, even if only what you've heard from others.

They just seem to be very distant and not at all good at responding to enquiries, or maybe it's just me?
If customers have issues, how do you find the ease of being able to speak with them?
It's just that - their site is full of self-praise, fair enough, but what are they like in reality?

[mchughcb]

I used them twice in the last 26 years. The first place was nsw and the second in vic.

Both places were in drought and had been absolutely bombed. People are driving around several days back to back with the next 20 bookings spotlighting are going to ensure every animal that isn't dead is running at 1000m the minute they hear a car. Having said that I managed to shoot one rabbit over a burrow at dusk with my hmr.

[Wapiti]

Geeze mate that's not a glowing report. Seems there is a lot of shooters pressure on properties that are available = shot out, probably should be given a rest.
Definitely not fair charging money if the expectation is there for reasonable hunting experience.

My issue - I've tried to contact them, seems all their "mailboxes" are full, never emptied - not very good for a business reputation. Am I being unfair? Particularly as their site is full of glowing reports of themselves, great communication, last-minute help for people stuck in a town with nowhere to hunt etc.
No return calls, answers to emails in my experience over the last week.
I'm sort if wondering, are they still an operating business?

[GQshayne]

Unfortunately, I think the reports are too common to be incorrect. Too many un-answered enquiries mentioned by people. In my case I did not have that problem when I rang them. However, there was some BS told to me about the property, and how often people went there etc. It did not add up. And the accomm was poor. I had to raid the dump to make two beds able to be slept on, and make a platform for a 180cm person to able to touch the floor on the dunny! LOL Gas leak in the kitchen. Two fridges, one with a sign that said it didn't work, so we used the other one to find it didnlt work. Turns out the one with the sign on it only had a freezer that supposedly didnt work.

And it was shot out. Only time in my life I have been away for a week and not got a pig.

[Fester]

Thought about it, but more negative feedback than positive.
Now they have about a $1,000 minimum so I just found my own privately advertised place.
For about $100 more, I got high-quality accom, self-guided, but saw bucks with the owner doing the buggy tour.
It was too easy, as his feed field wasn't fenced well enough, but he was a hard good worker and would have fixed that within months.
I suspect that I fluked it really.

I heard blokes turning up and the farmer had no idea they were expected.
The usual shot out stuff.

Another bloke said they had a good productive property, but only hunters that had been before were accepted.

[Wapiti]

Thanks for that feedback, you blokes.
Personally I don't think it's very ethical from the landowners side to keep allowing access for people to hunt, for a fee, and know that there wasn't much about anymore. They would absolutely notice this, well I would.
I guess that the business they're using for the bookings, IHP, in their defence not knowing any better, might not know about that.
But again, I read on their site that they ask for feedback from "customers" so that hunters get some value for money. At least a reasonable chance of having some hunting success, whatever that is for them.
I have found that people have completely different ideas what hunting means to them, some want to have an opportunity to just have a go where there is a chance that, if they do try, have a chance for a stalk and a result. Maybe fire only one or two shots, at a place they have to themselves. All they want is to be able to have a real hunt.
Others will expect being able fire off hundreds of cartridges in a week, and would feel gypped if they didn't. Not me and my mindset, but some are like that.

If it's true that there are way more hunters wanting a go than places they go to, if this isn't kept fair and managed as hunting opportunity, the only person benefiting will be the farmer, and that will get around and it won't last.

Me, I'm unsure how the heck anyone gets anything from them at all, because it's two weeks now and still nothing back to me, after 4 calls and 2 emails.
I did see in a google search trying to find other places, that IHP also called themselves "Western Hunting". I think.

Does anyone know of other places that might be doing the same thing?

[bigpete]

Used them in 2006 to hunt a station near Bourke. Lucky the farmer was a good sort,we drove from Adelaide and arrived at his house and they hadn't even.told him we were coming for a week! Also,we found out when we got there he actually didn't want us shooting goats,which we were not made aware of and there wasn't much else there. There was also a pro roo shooter operating there while we were there which made things interesting. This was after having booked it 6 months prior. We did manage a few goats and foxes though. Like I say,lucky the farmer was a good sort,he could have turned us away at the beginning

[Wapiti]

Goats are a tough call mate, with farmers getting completely screwed over with stock and produce prices, a goat getting even only $4/kg can get $60-100 each (before transport costs) to round up and sell. Even today, with reduced $/kg (goes wildly up and down with goats), a farmer struggling to pay the repayments on a few new headers of whatever, will see every dollar important especially seeing as every feral animal eating fodder costs him in feeding other stock.
So spraying a mob with bullets is in fact complete stupidity when that's a consideration.

However, goats in rugged country, public land say, is where hunters should be used. Rounding up goats from these areas is not cost effective, and would provide hunters with more opportunity. I hope people can see the distinction here I'm trying to make.
Yeah I know some people see it only as "shooting" where a number is important to them for whatever reason, but to hunters, they would love those extra challenging opportunities.

[tuknal]

Used them in 2006 to hunt a station near Bourke. Lucky the farmer was a good sort,we drove from Adelaide and arrived at his house and they hadn't even.told him we were coming for a week! Also,we found out when we got there he actually didn't want us shooting goats,which we were not made aware of and there wasn't much else there. There was also a pro roo shooter operating there while we were there which made things interesting. This was after having booked it 6 months prior. We did manage a few goats and foxes though. Like I say,lucky the farmer was a good sort,he could have turned us away at the beginning

this is common from the rumours ive heard about IHP ,,ive never used them tho

so did the farmer allow you to shoot these goats that you shot ,or was it a sorry mate,, we shot a few we werent told it was not to be done, kind of situation

[tuknal]

Goats are a tough call mate, with farmers getting completely screwed over with stock and produce prices, a goat getting even only $4/kg can get $60-100 each (before transport costs) to round up and sell. Even today, with reduced $/kg (goes wildly up and down with goats), a farmer struggling to pay the repayments on a few new headers of whatever, will see every dollar important especially seeing as every feral animal eating fodder costs him in feeding other stock.
So spraying a mob with bullets is in fact complete stupidity when that's a consideration.

However, goats in rugged country, public land say, is where hunters should be used. Rounding up goats from these areas is not cost effective, and would provide hunters with more opportunity. I hope people can see the distinction here I'm trying to make.
Yeah I know some people see it only as "shooting" where a number is important to them for whatever reason, but to hunters, they would love those extra challenging opportunities.

shooting goats is like shooting sheep ,, whats the point ,,its not a challenge,,

farmers only want goats when they are worth something
ive been asked to shoot the lot,in times when their worth nothing and its dry ,,i said im not really into it unless i can take them in ,at the time i couldnt ,,they were worth nothing live trade too
then i turned out 2 mth later we could take them in ,so i asked 2 farmers if it was still ok ,,but as soon as i could make something from them it was ,,oh na mate we might be able to do something with them so no ,,even though i offered half the profit to them for no imput
sorry i dont symathise with the farmers here at all
goats have been over $4/kg for a long time now their about $6.50/7kg atm so none wants them shot,,that over the hook some are paying around$5 live
for a 50kg billy its not bad
ive seen good mobs of 100/150 plus eating what come up of crops and feed paddocks after recent rain and the farmers are like ,,yeah we know ,might get around to getting them when we get a chance ,,they are in no rush to get them cos they know they get a return ,,but if its a mob of 30 roos oh god the worlds going to blow up and must get there asap because there going to eat everything when will you be here to shoot ,,if not well have have a roo drive,
goats in thick country can be quite worth it if the numbers are there ,but they have to be there,youll get them out with choppers,, but like i said its got to be worth it ,,national parks put out tenders for it in western nsw

if a farmer has bought 2 new headers @ around $750,000 im sure they have the collateral to be able to borrow this kind of money, and im sure there not too small hence the need for 2 ,,and im sure theyve plan for it financially cos you dont just wake up one day and go buy 2 ,,not to meation the area im in there coming off the back of 4/5 decent years

mate i know we dont agree on these matters but i can only go off what ive seen over the last 15yrs
i dont wish hard times on farmers ,but when they have them were told poor farmers blah blah ,,but when others in the comunnity have a rough trott we hear nothing ,,so all im say is there just another bussiness going through life ,we dont all need to bow or throw money in the hat for them ,they do it better than most

[GQshayne]

It also depends on the individuals, as some of them are not experienced, not good hunters, and then complain. So you have to have a qualified opinion for it to be valid. In my case, I went on my first hunting trip when I was 12. On my second trip I got my first pig just before my 13th birthday. That was in 1983. I reckon I go alright. And I saw a lot of old sign too, so there had been pigs there in the past.

If you are going to receive money for hunting access, I think it is reasonable to be upfront and honest about current conditions.

[mchughcb]

It also depends on the individuals, as some of them are not experienced, not good hunters, and then complain. So you have to have a qualified opinion for it to be valid. In my case, I went on my first hunting trip when I was 12. On my second trip I got my first pig just before my 13th birthday. That was in 1983. I reckon I go alright. And I saw a lot of old sign too, so there had been pigs there in the past.

If you are going to receive money for hunting access, I think it is reasonable to be upfront and honest about current conditions.

IHP act as a broker. You don't get to meet the landowner until you arrive. In NSW, the poor blokes wife had died. He was living by himself we have rotten mattresses in an out house. He said he saw a pig 6 weeks ago and there wasn't much on the 40,000 acres. Checking all the dams for sign he was right. We left after one night and drove to Jindabyne and spent the night up in the snowys.

[Wapiti]

shooting goats is like shooting sheep ,, whats the point ,,its not a challenge,,

farmers only want goats when they are worth something

if a farmer has bought 2 new headers @ around $750,000 im sure they have the collateral to be able to borrow this kind of money, and im sure there not too small hence the need for 2 ,,and im sure theyve plan for it financially cos you dont just wake up one day and go buy 2 ,,not to meation the area im in there coming off the back of 4/5 decent years

mate i know we dont agree on these matters but i can only go off what ive seen over the last 15yrs
i dont wish hard times on farmers ,but when they have them were told poor farmers blah blah ,,but when others in the comunnity have a rough trott we hear nothing ,,so all im say is there just another bussiness going through life ,we dont all need to bow or throw money in the hat for them ,they do it better than most

All I'll say to that is, unless you have run a business where investment vs return is YOUR gamble and winning or losing is your arse, then I haven't the slightest care what others think that don't make those decisions, yet are real fast to judge... especially from looking over the fence.

"farmers only want goats when they are worth something" Absolutely, and this kind of opinion, whether it's about goats, sheep, baboons or someone in their backyard making stuff from scrap and selling it for weed money, is relevant to whatever situation anyone is in. Not the one criticising.

"mate i know we dont agree on these matters but i can only go off what ive seen over the last 15yrs"
Hey, you do you, I don't hold it against you mate. You don't have to explain yourself.

Myself however, I've only been in the farming game for 21 years after construction and engineering, but what I stated earlier is not from what I've "seen", but what's been done by both me and people with skin in the game. And screw stuff up daily. But I'm having a go. We tend to form opinions from experience either winning, or losing.
They're the only people I give credibility to, those that actually do it, not form opinions from looking at others doing it wrong.

[Wapiti]

It also depends on the individuals, as some of them are not experienced, not good hunters, and then complain. So you have to have a qualified opinion for it to be valid. In my case, I went on my first hunting trip when I was 12. On my second trip I got my first pig just before my 13th birthday. That was in 1983. I reckon I go alright. And I saw a lot of old sign too, so there had been pigs there in the past.

If you are going to receive money for hunting access, I think it is reasonable to be upfront and honest about current conditions.

I absolutely agree with you, I do not think any other way of operating is ethical.
I have the dead-set opposite problem.

I've done a fair bit of research in the last few weeks and what I've seen, and the prices being paid, make me quite sad. For the hunters paying for mediocrity, I mean. Is that the state of hunting here in Aus?
And the garbage and incredibly ignorant opinions I see too, wow.
The jealousy and bitterness on social media, it's really a bad reflection on the people doing it. So self-destructive, and just feed into the anti's looking on, just helping give them some avenues to attack.

Still haven't got any return contact from IHP. Disappointing.

[mchughcb]

Still haven't got any return contact from IHP. Disappointing.

Sorry I'm a bit slow. You want to contact IHP to put your property on there?
I have no idea who runs IHP but they were probably hopeless a decade or so ago. I mean I certainly don't run my business like that. If somebody calls I'm getting back to them when I got a minute. I just don't ghost people looking for business.

[Fester]

I can't work out the full story about the goats.
A few years ago, it was don't shoot the goats, or just 1 or 2.

Now you hear things like it's open season, as they ain't worth their while, just chute em.
I don't know anyone, so no idea on the real story.

I remember the hunting club blokes were winging as they had a great property, why I joined, then paid a few hundred bucks for their hunter ed course to qualify.
Then find normal members had Buckley's chance of ever even getting a midweek, or any booking.
Apart from the member who worked in the big gun shop, seems that the inner boys club were hunting there heaps.

Anyway, it seems the farmer was saying nothing to some hunters, but telling the old club regulars not to shoot the goats.
I laughed and thought he was likely just a good bloke, and giving newer hunters a go.
The ones he was telling were likely the blokes that harvested lots, as well as shooting bigger billies; good on him.

I paid for a good few years, but the culture was pretty bad; even the bow and rifle hunters had pretty much separated.
Seemed more like beginners just sucking up to the hunting stars and fighting off each other.
They are huge, and have a huge bank balance but I heard nothing of them fighting the govt or helping with public land access like they did in the past.
I just didn't bother with renewing this year as no benefits for me.
I joined the ADA as I could see we needed to fight a few years back.
Later got the info on their property to hunt, will do the ballot meeting and see.

If they appear to have no real stake in the NSW fight, I will also dump them; if we end up like WA, it's me x hundreds of other like-minded hunters so they also lose in the long game.
During one of their info podcasts, they met with the relevant minister, and I suspect he just pulled the wool over their eyes, stating it's not even likely that the govt would allow wind turbine farms to take over state forest that we hunt.
Just watch it happen, lol

[bigpete]

Used them in 2006 to hunt a station near Bourke. Lucky the farmer was a good sort,we drove from Adelaide and arrived at his house and they hadn't even.told him we were coming for a week! Also,we found out when we got there he actually didn't want us shooting goats,which we were not made aware of and there wasn't much else there. There was also a pro roo shooter operating there while we were there which made things interesting. This was after having booked it 6 months prior. We did manage a few goats and foxes though. Like I say,lucky the farmer was a good sort,he could have turned us away at the beginning

this is common from the rumours ive heard about IHP ,,ive never used them tho

so did the farmer allow you to shoot these goats that you shot ,or was it a sorry mate,, we shot a few we werent told it was not to be done, kind of situation

He let us take a few,I think we shot about 6 for meat. Even just letting us stay was a pretty big deal as IHP didn't let him know we were coming till 2 days AFTER we arrived !

[Damo300]

Two days after you arrived.
Wow.
Way to make the paying client feel welcomed.
Like anything in this country now.
Pay a premium for sub par service.

I'm happy to help farmers clear their land, if they want it, but there is no way I'd pay them $100 a night, sometimes more, to stay on their land and clear out their ferals that they have an obligation to control.

Humble farmer that wants a hand.
No worries.
Money hungry, greedy grumpy old carrnts that don't want you there but have to tolerate your presence, just drive away.

[Wapiti]

Sounds like IHP are not reliable enough for me. I want different experiences as well as the next bloke.
Sometimes your own place feels just like work, you know it, every spot has a memory, that sort of thing. Just work.

Talk about thread creep, but I learn a lot from people bothering to comment or give real opinions, and the goat ones are eye opening.

On the goats, you either make the most of what your place has to offer and go with that business way of thinking, or you don't.
So many people have businesses and won't take up opportunities under their noses. I know sheep farmers for example, that just sit around waiting for shearing time, barely taking the effort to worm their infested stock. Opportunities all around them in their down time, but it's all too hard.
Imagine them running a high tempo manufacturing business with 200 employees, you cannot sit still even when delegating to good people. Even a small in-town practice like ours now is a 18hr/day job.

I remember one switched on, successful farmer here telling me when I had huge goat infestations, he said, round 'em up, get money for them for nothing. Why shoot thousands, feed the dogs, pigs, whatever, then you have to deal with them too? Especially when you've got so many other things to do to get ahead, and when "sporting" shooters only show up when they have the time, and they keep eating out your place so you have to run 50% less more-value alternative stock you want?
Feeding the ferals taking your lambs or calves, over years of attendance by "hunters"?
I put these descriptions in italics because we call someone a hunter, when in fact they are not. I'm not describing the great people who've contributed here, I hope people can understand what I mean.

So even when prices were rock bottom (goats go up and down in demand and hence value enormously), I could make a few calls and the blokes would come out. Then the double-deckers. Everyone got a cut, once a week in a few hours on a Saturday we pulled in 500-750 goats from here, each time even when prices were in the $2+ range, I was getting $30k for a mornings work.
We did it once a week for a month, then gave it a rest, then again in a fee months, same thing. Until 99% were out of my hair and I had made a bomb.
Some went for meat straight off the truck, some went to people for intensive scrub clearing and then meat later, who cares, not me. I was getting money instead of adding to my feral burden by feeding them all with goat carcasses, and relying on brought in hunters that were never going to fix this issue in years. Yes I promote hunters, but there were just too many animals to take the solution over so many years. So I could start planning my business attempts properly.
I'm sure there are those out there who get that. Some wont though, they are only thinking from their circumstances and just can't get anothers issues.
And I know, there are supposedly "smart" cockies either doing nothing or doing it however they want. sometimes just not able to manage their places too, or don't care.

It's just the same with deer. Let them multiply, too many animals competing for real quality food, and the hunters see only 4/4, 4/5 heads and all sorts of poor results.
By the same token, allow open slather and nothing gets to grow to potential to better the breed.
Manage them, and you get beautiful animals that are best examples of the species.
Then unfortunately, when a hunter is propped in front of a huge-palmed fallow buck or great stag, others with no idea comment " how did they photoshop out the fence".

[tuknal]

[quote="Fester"]I can't work out the full story about the goats.
A few years ago, it was don't shoot the goats, or just 1 or 2.

Now you hear things like it's open season, as they ain't worth their while, just chute em.
I don't know anyone, so no idea on the real story.

I remember the hunting club blokes were winging as they had a great property, why I joined, then paid a few hundred bucks for their hunter ed course to qualify.
Then find normal members had Buckley's chance of ever even getting a midweek, or any booking.
Apart from the member who worked in the big gun shop, seems that the inner boys club were hunting there heaps.

its the export market with goats ,,when they are worth something they want them for themselves ,when theyre not they want them dead

,,ive know of cases where 2 farmer has rang the police on mates of mine contracted to muster next door because they had it in their head that they were stealing THEIR goats put it all over facebook,, slaged them off stock squad got involved more accusations over facebook ,,my mate work with some stock agents and the last thing they need is a bad reputation,, anyway choppers flight records were checked gps from ground crew were checked and proven to be nowhere near the boundary's ,,so the outcome was oh sorry mate we got it wrong from the neighbouring farmers and stock squad,,nothing happens to them
but the musteres are still explaining themselves to ppl about it and have lost jobs because of it

the goat game is f***ed its worse than pig hunters (doggers)
when theyre on their mine when their not shoot em i dont care ,is the attitude ,,i must say this is NOT every famer its more the workers (farm hands) or locals with dogs

wapati ,,no offence but i dont think your in the category of the ppl im talking about ,, i see what your saying and my skin is in the game just not like theirs ,,like ive said before i have a good relationship with quiet a few farmers and are quite close with others
i make a living from being out on farmers places (roo/game harvesting) and also working for them (building work) i see what they spend i see what they make
when your amougst them at a party or the pub it all comes out sometimes ,,some are big noters others arent,,, it not hard to work out when they talk tonnes at x amount a tonne,or getting 300+ a head and they just sold 500/1000 and yes ive ask about their inputs not just profits
i see all their kids going to scotts grammer or some other fancy private school,getting out on the lake a xmas in the 150k ski boats
new cruisers /buggies /some even with choppers /racing off road buggys /doing finke and all other races around the state/country

But GOOD ON THEM they (well some do ,their fathers and grandfathers did the hard hards)) work for what theyve got/have ,even though most have inherited a business that is fool proof if you just go to work
small scale farmers yeah its a different story ,but i just dont fall for the poor farmer thing
ive lived where i am for 15yr ive been shooting/hunting around here for about 35yr,, ive seen a little in that time and not all from just looking over a fence


fester,, your right mate that stuff defiantly can become a boys club and if your not in the loop or lick the right arse,, your not in

[Fester]

I may have started this thread creep, but it's a great conversation and how I learn, having no real farming or rural background.
I can see how running a smaller farm by yourself would be a hard-working bloke's full-time job.
I can understand a property going downhill if owned by someone too lazy to do the work.
Farmers can be so diverse, I guess, from big spreads that are like multi-million-dollar businesses to blokes running a small herd of cows as a weekender, then everything in between.

The pest control issue is real, and I can imagine blokes working hard on the farm not having time to do the night shooting as well.
Then you hear farmers saying, "No shooters here, I just poison the pigs" I don't know enough, but feel it's a bit bigger than that.
I guess pest problems are so much different depending on the locations and buying a farm next to uncontrolled govt places like national parks could be a big mistake.

I only ever did the one paid hunt, but it was good, and lucky, as the farmer was a great bloke, doing his big weekend of work.
We got some great talk time, and he replied he sort of knew what he was in for regarding the land and weather.
When I asked if he knew about the pest problems, he said no.
He was not into hunting or shooting, just had a .223 and did pest control.
He was interested in the butchery side and set up a small backyard shed as a meat prep room; he had a band saw machine in there.
It is like a mini climate as it was a flattish gulley between 2 mountain ranges.
The hunting side thing came about after he let his keen mate go down and hunt; he is now the guide.
He said it was sort of too easy for me because of the feed field and animals coming in for it, but it beats being too hard, and I wanted a young meaty.

It helped both ways, as he gets added income and I didn't really need the guide.
I did go looking for the goats, but being way down the far end, I thought I may have went to the end of the property.
Turns out that it was all his, and I should have kept going.
He said the rut would also be too easy for me, as 1 buck had the house yard in his territory.
So much croaking that he could hardly sleep.
Amazing amount of wildlife; I even found stubble quail. I had the wrong shotty and ammo on me; also, it may be hard finding a shot one without a dog.
I shot a couple of big roos, and told him he had more of next door's Marinos than he thought.
Another job for him as he said he may have to round them up and tell the owner.

I should go back, but the forests down there are my next target, and forest deer is my game.
Also a small world, and turns out a bloke that has shot a deer or 2, thousand lives a few properties away.
The family plot was huge, before the banks skrewed them and got some.
He told me the full history of that farm, and it was one of the first cold-climate big grain producers.
He hunted the whole area before it was sort of cut into smaller blocks and his granddad and best mate cut all the original tracks in the hills. 2 old dozers are still parked in his mom's yard.

[Wapiti]

Yep, I know all about blokes on the land that just blow every second opportunity, let things blow up and then scramble to minimise the waste and the fallout. I don't care about them, but at the same time I won't look at what they do and accept it, or ever just blindly do something "because Dad did it for 70 years and I do the same"
And they curse as they watch 1000 goats breeding into 1750 in a season.
I have never seen a time where a double-decker or 10 wasn't worth something, even after the bust of '23-'24, so much so that a phone call is all it takes and the utes and trucks and dogs arrive and away we go. Maybe 50, 100 or something isn't worth the effort during the tough times, but 2-5000 is. I don't think anyone reading this wouldn't take a cheque for $35K every Saturday for a month or two, whilst putting an end to the inability to manage feed tonnage in their paddocks. What sort of mad hatter sits back sucking a beer and lets shooters mow them down as an alternative? Over how long while his joint is eaten out? Christ.
And I'm not having a go "shooting the messenger", in this case Tuknal, he's just saying what he's seeing, and I believe him. But it's like throwing paper money in the air and watching it blow away, boxes of it.
Anyway, I've said my piece, being on this forum has answered so many things I was wondering about for ages about how people think, both good ideas and not.
All I do is explain the side of thinking I come from, what I do and try and keep things going. Only from my own experience either making things work or screwing things up, what works what doesn't or what's just silly.
I f**k a lot of things up but making twice the average yearly wage as a bonus for very little effort for getting these mongrel things out of the back country doesn't qualify as one, in my thinking anyway.

Still bloody well can't get IHP these dudes to call me back. The business must have closed.

[Rugbymick]

Hi Wapiti

I managed to get a call back from her. Booked a trip in Qld the week of the Ekka holiday. I have tried a few times this year to book a trip and this was the first time I had any success. She said she was about to start doing the lap, so was getting a starlink sorted to keep comms going. Only way I found to get in contact was phone. Inquiry message on the website never gets answered.

Had to stick it out as I don't have any private access and had promised my son a trip for the last 2 years since we both went and got our licence. Plenty of visits to Ripley but the idea was hunting.

[Wapiti]

Mick I'm happy you've managed to get in contact with them.

Myself, I've tried the phone messages and the emails, I managed to get a phone call from them this morning finally, tried to call back twice but again no luck.
My issue is, I rely on wifi calls around the house, no mobile service here. Sometimes the call doesn't even ring, I get a missed call text and I was sitting right there having smoko. Call immedoately back and get the "mailbox is full message" FMD, I give up.