Minimum caliber ?

[bladeracer]

Stop being obtuse. We all know exactky what they mean

How am I being obtuse? Anybody that knows even the basics about cartridges understands what a capital R refers to.
Will that stand up in court though when some wanker charges you over it?

[bigpete]

Anyone who knows that the R stands for rimmed will also understand that its a guideline for minimum calibres and that 222 rimmed and 222 are virtually identical in power.
Anyway,last f***ing time I try to help people out here.

[bladeracer]

Anyone who knows that the R stands for rimmed will also understand that its a guideline for minimum calibres and that 222 rimmed and 222 are virtually identical in power.
Anyway,last f***ing time I try to help people out here.

I know the cartridges are identical in performance, but that's not relevant.
Why does my pointing out an error in a document that you have nothing to do with affect your willingness to continue helping people?

[Stix]

I suspect those abbreviations (R, H etc.) maybe a flow on from times when it was called the "222 Remington"...
And the 17 R is prob 17 Rem as well.
The ".22H" probably indicates 'hornet' as min...

As is suggested by the document (& Pete's mentioned) its min cal/cartridge...& i cant see that someone legally culling roos or wallabies will get "confused" from 'not understanding the requirements' & therefor charged, especially given the knowledge required for paperwork submitted for approval to cull.

There are holes through all kinds of firearms related regs...arent we used to that...?

If i were culling deer for dewnr (sa govt) i cant shoot a donkey with my 7-08 as min is 30 cal...but do you rekon if i was with a park ranger on a goat cull & a feral donkey stood 100 yds in front of us he'd grab his digital calipers out & tell me not to shoot it cos im missing half a millimetre...?
More likely he/she'd have me booked for NOT toppling it over...!!

And if someone is stupid enough to go culling Roos with a 17 hornet after submitting paperwork they deserve to get caught booked...!

[bladeracer]

If i were culling deer for dewnr (sa govt) i cant shoot a donkey with my 7-08 as min is 30 cal...but do you rekon if i was with a park ranger on a goat cull & a feral donkey stood 100 yds in front of us he'd grab his digital calipers out & tell me not to shoot it cos im missing half a millimetre...?
More likely he/she'd have me booked for NOT toppling it over...!!

I'm quite sure the shooter knows what he's using, the problem comes when some little Hitler ranger tries to enforce such a rule by the book.

[bigfellascott]

Sure, but in a legal document, you want to be exact or people end up in court fighting ridiculous charges.
.222R refers to .222 Rimmed, always has done.

I always thought the R referred to the fact it was a Remington Cartridge design, like the 204R is for Ruger

Nope, a capital R indicates a rimmed cartridge, just like 7.62x54R, .222R, etc. I don't think ".204R" is an official designation, just somebody's abbreviation.

Cheers mate, we live and learn.

[SCJ429]

I always thought that .224 was 5.56mm, they say 5.69?
You obviously cannot shoot them with a 22 Hornet unless you use a .224 projectile.
Why not say "e.g. 222 etc..." Does it also means that the only 204 you can use is a 204 Ruger, wildcats are not allowed?

[bladeracer]

I always thought that .224 was 5.56mm, they say 5.69?
You obviously cannot shoot them with a 22 Hornet unless you use a .224 projectile.
Why not say "e.g. 222 etc..." Does it also means that the only 204 you can use is a 204 Ruger, wildcats are not allowed?

Nice to see somebody else understands the importance of getting this stuff right when writing laws

[bladeracer]

Cheers mate, we live and learn.

No point in livin' if you ain't a'learnin'

[Midwestman]

if in NSW you NEED TAGS too shoot roo's even on your OWN LAND,thou it has been lifted in drought affected areas for humane reasons,there are way too many,but if you get caught with one in back off the ute for dog food you could still be in trouble.

[Die Judicii]

Speaking of "holes" in legal documents,,,,,,,,,,,,

Check this pic out.

A classic F@CK UP by the SA Police.

Three months (yes, 3 months) AFTER a family tragedy occurred, the local copper from where I used to live, was instructed from his hierarchy to come and take my firearms.

When I asked why,,,,,,,,,,, he apologized, and said to me that after what had happened there were fears that I might "top" myself.

I just laughed and said Your pretty slow off the mark, and besides, if I was gonna do that,,,, I would have done it 3 months ago.

But he still had his orders to take the firearms, which he did.

After this monumental stuff up was sorted out a week later, and when I went to collect them, these are the stickers that were attached to each f/arm.

"FIREARM (IMITATION)" Not to forget the "BOLD ACTION"

To add insult to injury, some of my firearms were also damaged.

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[straightshooter]

if in NSW you NEED TAGS too shoot roo's even on your OWN LAND,thou it has been lifted in drought affected areas for humane reasons,there are way too many,but if you get caught with one in back off the ute for dog food you could still be in trouble.

I have been thinking about forming a group to pressure the state government into paying agistment fees for harbouring THEIR kangaroos.
They happily splash money around to just about everyone else.

[straightshooter]

:lol:
Speaking of "holes" in legal documents,,,,,,,,,,,,

Check this pic out.

A classic F@CK UP by the SA Police.

Three months (yes, 3 months) AFTER a family tragedy occurred, the local copper from where I used to live, was instructed from his hierarchy to come and take my firearms.

When I asked why,,,,,,,,,,, he apologized, and said to me that after what had happened there were fears that I might "top" myself.

I just laughed and said Your pretty slow off the mark, and besides, if I was gonna do that,,,, I would have done it 3 months ago.

But he still had his orders to take the firearms, which he did.

After this monumental stuff up was sorted out a week later, and when I went to collect them, these are the stickers that were attached to each f/arm.

"FIREARM (IMITATION)" Not to forget the "BOLD ACTION"

To add insult to injury, some of my firearms were also damaged.

Cast your mind back. Did you or anyone close to you visit a doctor and complain of depression or even hint at suicidal ideation?
Your doctor is then compelled to report the matter and the wheels of bureaucracy start turning.
You can't blame the doctor, he probably would like to keep practicing and enjoying an income and at the most human level he would not want to be responsible for not preventing a potential tragedy.
You must be very careful what you say to any health professional regarding feelings of depression or related symptoms such as a need for long term pain management.
It is very beneficial to have a long term, very friendly relationship with your doctor.
In the course of my employment I have been present at a group medical practice where a doctor in the middle of a consultation has come out and quietly asked the receptionist to "ring the police, xxxxxxx is suffering from ED, they need to take away his guns".

[Sergeant Hartman]

have been thinking about forming a group to pressure the state government into paying agistment fees for harbouring THEIR kangaroos.
They happily splash money around to just about everyone else.

If there are enough votes in it and I'd you are in a marginal seat

ED

why would the doctor need to take away your guns if you have erectile dysfunction.... sorry bad joke

[bigfellascott]

never heard of a '0' grain projectile in .224 must be the new go to projectile!

It's the diet lite version

[Die Judicii]

Cast your mind back. Did you or anyone close to you visit a doctor and complain of depression or even hint at suicidal ideation?

NO Mate,,,,
As a matter of fact my Doctor at the time was also an ex work colleague and we had known each other for more than 20 years.
Added to the fact that she was away on leave when all the sh!t happened,, and it was her intervention (when she found out what had happened) that got all my firearms returned to me.

She was absolutely furious over what had taken place,,, believe me,, I was present when she made the phone calls to have them returned.

[bigfellascott]

What the hell is a "BOLD" Action rifle FFS? Talk about no FID of what he hell they are on about half the bloody time. Why the hell didn't they remove the car keys, rope, knives, medication, ban you from going near cliffs or train lines or roads, dams with bessar blocks etc etc etc, another example of how f***ed up this idiotic country has become.

Poor young fella last week killed himself using the XPT - have they no idea if ones intending to kill themselves that's exactly what will happen regardless of their stupid idiotic, ideology-driven thinking is?

[Die Judicii]

What the hell is a "BOLD" Action rifle FFS?

Poor young fella last week killed himself using the XPT - have they no idea if ones intending to kill themselves that's exactly what will happen regardless of their stupid idiotic, ideology-driven thinking is?

When you can tell us all what a "BOLD" Action rifle is,,,,, we will ALL be enlightened Mate.

Furthermore, the day I went in to pick up my rifles, the police woman on duty brought them in from their armoury stacked in a Woolworths shopping trolley.
When I saw the stickers, I asked her "If they really were IMITATION firearms like the sticker says, why did they have to be locked away ?"

She just gave me a blank stare,,,, I don't think she understood what I was getting at.

[bigfellascott]

What the hell is a "BOLD" Action rifle FFS?

Poor young fella last week killed himself using the XPT - have they no idea if ones intending to kill themselves that's exactly what will happen regardless of their stupid idiotic, ideology-driven thinking is?

When you can tell us all what a "BOLD" Action rifle is,,,,, we will ALL be enlightened Mate.

Furthermore, the day I went in to pick up my rifles, the police woman on duty brought them in from their armoury stacked in a Woolworths shopping trolley.
When I saw the stickers, I asked her "If they really were IMITATION firearms like the sticker says, why did they have to be locked away ?"

She just gave me a blank stare,,,, I don't think she understood what I was getting at.

They are clueless no doubt about it, I remember seeing some sort of police hierarchy woffling on about about a bolt action rifle that he described as a semi auto from memory, completely clueless about the subject yet spoke like was the authority on it.