Bait for dog trap

[perentie]

We are on 30 acres and a neighbour down the way refuses to keep his dogs locked up at night. One a Doberman looking thing and the other a Bull terrier.
They wander round here some nights and bailed me up on my own property so they have to go.
I could have nailed them last night with the Adler and buckshot but he would hear the noise and know it was me. I am too old for this crap.
I set the dog trap with a leg off some fresh road kill but cant entice them in yet. Perhaps its the meat going off before their next visit..
Any ideas on a long lasting type bait?

[Lifesaride]

Leg hold traps are probably better option than cage traps. It can be a real struggle to get a dog to enter a cage trap especially if it is well fed. But liver might be enough to entice him.

Do you have any livestock? If interfering with stock any dog is fair game in most states of Australia. Definitely so here in qld on rural lands, but as always it pays to investigate the local regulations.
Cheers

[Rod_outbak]

Perentie,

If possible, see if you can get some video of the dogs being on your land; handy if this gets to needing the authorities involved.
It might even be worthwhile buying a game camera and setting it up where you think they enter your property.
As others have mentioned, if you have any livestock, then you can nail the dogs if they turn up on your property, but again, it will be a lot more clear-cut if you have video evidence to support your claim.
If they bail you up on your own land, then I'd be ringing the council animal control officer, and stating you are concerned that one will attack you on your own property.
If the animal control officer isnt interested, then I'd be emailing a formal complaint to the local council. If you email them (rather than ring them), councils in QLD have a due process that they are required to respond to your complaint within a set period..

Most of our dog traps here are set up for nailing dingoes, so might be a bit different in comparison to roaming domestic dogs. However, fresh dog poop and wee is always pretty compulsory sniffing. Another thought is see if you can collect some wee from a bitch in heat, as that tends to be a bit of a magnet...

Only other lure that worked for us, was some 'Calvin klein's "Obsession for Men"'. We bought it because I'd heard that cats go crazy over the stuff, but our game cameras showed about the only animal that wouldnt go near the stuff was the cats. But we did nail a couple of dogs on the stuff, though.
[Smells like CRAP!!]

What town are you near?

Cheers,

Rod.

[RoginaJack]

Perentie, you have the makings of a big problem. Roaming pet dogs are very difficult to trap and cage traps are next to useless. The dogs are usually well fed and not overly interested in food; they have come to play and will chase stock, house pets and anything else that captures their fancy. The end result is predictable and fairly traumatic.
On smallholdings, the council officers are pretty well useless, might drop of a cage trap and a game camera ( pics cannot be accessed) and that's about it. The dogs are more than likely doing over the whole area and your place is on the outward/return legs.
These dogs are usually very difficult to howl up or come to a call.
The solution is study and log their travel movements, patience, dig a deep hole, rifle of sufficient calibre ( 243win etc) and a couple of well placed shots and remember, silence is golden.
Chances are you're not the only one with this problem.
Good luck.

[tom604]

.22, tape,plastic bottle, have a hole ready and a couple of drop sheets if you have to drive them anywhere,,watched too many mafia shows

[Sergeant Hartman]

Lol. I would have thought council animal rangers would sort it. Talk to your other neighbors are if they had issues with the dogs. In our council of my dog is roaming into another's property, I can be fined

[Gwion]

I'd be calling animal control and emphasising the fact the animals have bailed you up and threatened your safety. If you need to deal with thee issue personally, be aware that 'silencing' devices are illegal and if you are close enough to the neighbours they may have grounds to get you in trouble afyer the fact if you are discharging a gun close to their property without their consent: obviously they aren't going to be ok with you shooting if it is at their dogs, even if they are in thewrong on a common sense point of view.

[Stix]

Whilst i hear your frustration, id play the long slow safe route along the lines of some if the points that Rod & RJ mention, such as video/trail camera footage & councils...

Im not sure how things operate up there, but id be especially cautious of using the excuse of the dogs attacking any stock to shoot them.

I just say this from experience, as a neighbouring farmer in an area i used shoot in, once accused my dog (a German Shephard) of killing his sheep...i knew my boy wouldn't & wasnt doing this.

Things got tense with many people involved, many sheep were killed, mauled & destroyed, i recieved many threats that my dog will be shot next time i come to the area, & i got 2 unfair fines from a council.

The farmer eventually took my (very stern) advice (or my counter threat seriously) & through his dilligence eventually discovered my dog was actually innocent & he ended up shooting 2 out of 3 other dogs that were the culprits...both the farmer & myself were thankful he didnt loose his cool on the trigger...!

Things would have got very messy if my dog was shot.

I understand your dilemma is different, but be careful-my point telling the story is you dont want to make a big mistake with a gun in a moment of frustration.

Do you have 'wandering dog' fines up there...?
If so trail cam footage with time & date should net him some losses to begin with....hell i got wandering dog fines from heresay that my dog was killing stock, so footage of his should do the trick...!

And a .22lr spitting sub HP's is much quieter than a .243...
(That cracks me up RJ-you put the terms "silence is golden" & ".243" in the same sentence... )

Hope you get it sorted.

[Member-Deleted]

G'day Perentie , mate I do a little trapping for our local council and domestic dogs are fairly hard to trap wild dogs are almost impossible to trap
unless you use snap traps that catch the foot even then you have got to know what you are doing
Mate the law is anybody can trap a nuisance dog , you then have to notify the council and they will come and collect it
If it is caught on a weekend then you have to feed and water it until they collect it on a Monday
If you are in the country and have a vicious problem dog you have to notify the owner and the council then you can destroy the dog if it returns
and the owner is responsible for any damage of stock you have received
As many have said on here the legal and safe way would be notify the council tell them it has bailed you up on your land as you say it has
Take pics and a good thing is check if they are registered as council don't like unregistered dogs, then notify the owner that you have notified
the council if this doesn't make them lock them up then put pressure on the council i'm pretty sure they will respond
And as some one said notify the council by email the complaint has to be seen to ( and this exactly what the council here has told me )
Good luck mate with your problem also this sort of problem is more common than people think

[Growler]

just shoot it and drop it in a hole.

Sgt Shultz I know nuttin nuttin

[Member-Deleted]

By the way Perentie I find chicken wing in a trap may do better than meat at times
and the bigger the trap the better
Mine is 1.5m long 1m high and 1m wide with drop door

[perentie]

Wow, lots of replies.
We are in Gympie Council district.
Other neighbours have complained to no avail so I am inclined to keep quiet and not tell anyone anything and the dogs just disappear.
my trap is the same size etc as grandadbushy,s above. its just getting it in there. I was hoping the pros might have had a recipe for some nice smelling bait I could mix up.
the meat keeps going off and as said there is road kill they snack on so are well fed. the owners are about half a k away so dogs not coming home after they hear a shot will start a feud. A Z to the head in the trap is my preferred method.
I have a dart gun that I will resurect. I ran out of charges and trank but I am going to see if weak Ramsets will work. I tried yellow but they blew the dart through 4 layers of carpet. have to investigate the Trank side also.

[Member-Deleted]

Perentie i'm hearing ya mate but if you harm those dogs and get found out you are in a world of hurt, not only from the council
but from animal welfare whom in my opinion are arseholes only beating their chests and not caring about peoples rights
Mate there has to be a paper trail for the council to move and as for keeping quiet well mate you've just told heaps of people of your plan
Yet I doubt whether any would repeat things but you never know
Make as much noise as possible with the council and keep all correspondence with them
Then if all that fails which I doubt then as was said on here on another site Silence is Golden
By the way if you are in a rural area then you can set snap traps on your land to catch feral animals maybe its worth giving that a go as well

[Daddybang]

If ya worried about being legal if ya shoot them buy an air rifle with some flat nose target pellets and hit them in the arse a couple of times they don't tend to come back!!!(at least my neighbors hasn't )

[Member-Deleted]

Hey DB , :What the neighbours or the dogs

[Daddybang]

Hey DB , :What the neighbours or the dogs

Funnily enough I had a chat with old mate a couple of days ago and he mentioned his dog seems to be stickin around home a lot more!!!

[Member-Deleted]

Yep probably the weight of all that lead he's carrying

[RoginaJack]

yeah right, using 22 subs, air rifles, dart guns etc are just a WOFT and will create a paper trail right back to you. What you need to do is drop them on the spot, no running home to die or injured. That is just plain cruel.
Would it be possible to run a single wire electric fence around your place?

[Lifesaride]

As I said earlier, do you have livestock? If so you are in the clear if you deem the dogs a threat to stock if in a rural area. An excerpt below and the full site in the link.

While you can legally shoot a wild dog, you cannot shoot a roaming domestic dog unless you meet the following requirements:

You have the necessary firearms licence and use the firearm according to state firearms laws.
You reasonably believe the dog is attacking, or is likely to attack, your livestock and is not under someone's control.
You live on land that is subject to a rural fire levy.
You comply with other laws such as the Animal Care and Protection Act 2001.


https://www.business.qld.gov.au/industr ... s/shooting

[pomemax]

1 Method ( NON LEATHAL like getting hit with cricket bat) is a soap/wax and salt .22 if you have an old .22 you like to clean.
mix 1 portion of soap/wax with about 1/2 portion of salt then remove the .22 projectile from a cheap brand pack with the soap to the top of shell ,set in freezer till solid virtually no sound at all . Maybe have a try in backyard when dogs are not around I find its accurate out to max 20 m try to hit on an area with no fur dogs tend to remember and don,t come back .
Once you have fired should clean straight away

[Daddybang]

Yep probably the weight of all that lead he's carrying

That's why I use the flat target pellets. .no penetration just gives them a wack on the arse and drops on the track next to it!!!

[perentie]

Yeah we have four horses thats all. What to do is not a problem , its getting them in the trap. I will try the suggestion here.
I just thought professionals might have access to a nice smelly long lasting bait thats commercially available and does the job..

[Lifesaride]

Yeah we have four horses thats all. What to do is not a problem , its getting them in the trap. I will try the suggestion here.
I just thought professionals might have access to a nice smelly long lasting bait thats commercially available and does the job..

Horses are classed as livestock in QLD, so if you catch the dogs chasing or deem them a threat to your livestock take the shot, not a thing that they can they can do. I’ve done plenty of research as the crackheads down the road had 2 big dogs that we’re getting out and chasing cattle, the operative word being HAD.

I must admit they weren’t happy until the threat of litigation for the loss of the calf and the two rounds.

[Corn]

Available in USA!

OK! So you’d have to be very close to the target(s), but this would be fun to play with!

[Oldbloke]

We are on 30 acre and a neighbour down the way refuses to keep his dogs locked up at night.

30 acres is pretty small. IMO to close to the nabours. As someone suggested earlier a game camera to take a few incriminating pics and then off to the council.

[Rod_outbak]

Over 15 years ago, our local Gun shop had stocks of both the bean-bag 12ga rounds that were often used to 'direct' cattle from helicopters up in the Top End, and they also had boxes of the 'Bird-Frite' Flash-Bang 12 ga rounds as well. If they hadnt been so horrendously expensive (and I dont have a 12 ga), I'd have bought a couple of boxes of each; just to have on the shelf...

Perentie,
30 acres pretty much rules out using most firearms, without ending up in more trouble than the dog owner.
As much as it might be painful, I reckon the council needs to be involved.
If you get photos, what about getting the media involved? That way, the council is going to have to grow some balls and do something.
When you say other neighbours have complained, do you know if they simply rang the council, or submitted written/emailed complaints? Council will do sod-all on verbal complaints, but have to respond to written ones.
If you start talking publicly about your horses being threatened, I'm sure the horse-lovers guild will be out for (dog) blood as well..

[Member-Deleted]

You pretty much hit the nail on the head Rod there is a figure floating around in qld of 40 acres to acquire a licence and to be classed as rural
holdings for the laws to take place as bigger farms
And the paper trail to council , pics ,others doing likewise with council once the council has it in writing then it becomes their problem incase
someone or animals are harmed
I think old mate has plenty of good advice here on this post to make the right choice

[sungazer]

If ya worried about being legal if ya shoot them buy an air rifle with some flat nose target pellets and hit them in the arse a couple of times they don't tend to come back!!!(at least my neighbors hasn't )

Or perhaps the 22LR rat shot bullets. I doubt that they would penetrate past about 10-15m

[Member-Deleted]

Rod there is a figure floating around in qld of 40 acres to acquire a licence and to be classed as rural
holdings for the laws to take place as bigger farms

Yep GB, the rule of thumb seems to be 40 acres. From the Weapons Licensing website talking about Recreational licences:
For Recreational shooting on rural lands (with Cat A or B only), the size of the property you wish to shoot on needs to be of sufficient size to ensure safe use for the category/ies of weapons (generally greater than 40 acres). It is an offence to shoot on or across neighbouring private land without the owner’s permission.

[Member-Deleted]

As I said earlier, do you have livestock? If so you are in the clear if you deem the dogs a threat to stock if in a rural area. An excerpt below and the full site in the link.

While you can legally shoot a wild dog, you cannot shoot a roaming domestic dog unless you meet the following requirements:

You have the necessary firearms licence and use the firearm according to state firearms laws.
You reasonably believe the dog is attacking, or is likely to attack, your livestock and is not under someone's control.
You live on land that is subject to a rural fire levy.
You comply with other laws such as the Animal Care and Protection Act 2001.


https://www.business.qld.gov.au/industr ... s/shooting

This ^^^^ is sound advice, I know you don't want to shoot them, but if they have threatened to attack, I know which option I would take.

The advice re getting the Council involved is also good, I would follow up any verbal complaint with a confirming email, if they don't get and result or take action and keep you informed, you might remind them that your report is recorded, (the email) and if there is any damage as a result of these dogs, you are prepared to take the matter further, this usually evokes action.