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NSW DPI- Kangaroo Management volunteer shooters

Post by bronco93 » 08 Aug 2018, 5:46 pm

Got an email today about this...

**Kangaroo management: Changes to non-commercial landholder licences**

Effective from today, the NSW Government has made changes to landholder licences to harm kangaroos to reduce populations as part of a package of drought relief measures.

Experienced shooters with a current Firearms Licence and suitable firearms are invited to list their details on the Local Land Services (LLS) Kangaroo Shooter Register. Shooter details on the register are available to licensed landholders seeking assistance from professional or volunteer shooters.

You do not need a NSW Game Hunting Licence to participate.

For more information, visit http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/hunting/volun ... o-shooting
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Post by Daddybang » 08 Aug 2018, 6:47 pm

bronco93 wrote:Got an email today about this...

**Kangaroo management: Changes to non-commercial landholder licences**

Effective from today, the NSW Government has made changes to landholder licences to harm kangaroos to reduce populations as part of a package of drought relief measures.

Experienced shooters with a current Firearms Licence and suitable firearms are invited to list their details on the Local Land Services (LLS) Kangaroo Shooter Register. Shooter details on the register are available to licensed landholders seeking assistance from professional or volunteer shooters.

You do not need a NSW Game Hunting Licence to participate.

For more information, visit http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/hunting/volun ... o-shooting


That's a good move. Although I'm in qld I'd reckon if ya a shooter in NSW or even southern qld (if it's allowed :unknown: ) get involved if ya can. :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Post by brett1868 » 08 Aug 2018, 8:08 pm

Already registered and been loading .257 Wby Mag like a demon in readiness :)
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Post by Jon79 » 08 Aug 2018, 8:52 pm

Got the email today as well & registered :thumbsup:
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Post by bronco93 » 08 Aug 2018, 9:07 pm

Daddybang wrote:
bronco93 wrote:Got an email today about this...

**Kangaroo management: Changes to non-commercial landholder licences**

Effective from today, the NSW Government has made changes to landholder licences to harm kangaroos to reduce populations as part of a package of drought relief measures.

Experienced shooters with a current Firearms Licence and suitable firearms are invited to list their details on the Local Land Services (LLS) Kangaroo Shooter Register. Shooter details on the register are available to licensed landholders seeking assistance from professional or volunteer shooters.

You do not need a NSW Game Hunting Licence to participate.

For more information, visit http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/hunting/volun ... o-shooting


That's a good move. Although I'm in qld I'd reckon if ya a shooter in NSW or even southern qld (if it's allowed :unknown: ) get involved if ya can. :thumbsup: :drinks:


Yeah I'm in qld too. When is our government gonna get its s**t together and open up our state forests
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Post by Daddybang » 08 Aug 2018, 9:43 pm

Unfortunately not while ever palaschmuck is running the state. :crazy: :drinks:
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Post by Daddybang » 08 Aug 2018, 9:45 pm

brett1868 wrote:Already registered and been loading .257 Wby Mag like a demon in readiness :)


Think that'll be enough gun?? :unknown:
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Post by Gormanchov » 09 Aug 2018, 1:39 pm

Just signed up today, better get my arse in gear and get my .223 reloading sorted this weekend.
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Post by MJW380 » 10 Aug 2018, 4:25 pm

Signed up too, wonder if or when anyone will get a start?
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Post by NUTSACK » 19 Aug 2018, 6:19 pm

Its going to be a rare thing for a land holder to also register there interest and allow a stranger onto there property to shoot roos..its going to be a very lop sided register thats for sure..
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Post by p3seven » 19 Aug 2018, 8:31 pm

How are we off for insurance under this scheme?
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Post by p3seven » 19 Aug 2018, 8:32 pm

How are we off for insurance under this scheme?
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Post by NUTSACK » 20 Aug 2018, 6:46 pm

Everything will fall onto the shooter in regards to that. LLS has no part in this except managing the register. All checks to be conducted will be landholders responsibility..
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Post by Apollo » 20 Aug 2018, 7:34 pm

p3seven wrote:How are we off for insurance under this scheme?


My view and also that of a lot of local farmers to me is they don't want strangers wandering around their properties yet alone with firearms.

This scheme is just that... a publicity scheme. Just like the SSAA Farmer Assist Scheme. Lots if not hundreds of applicants but the "farmer" really doesn't want the hassle involved.

Strangers who you don't have any prior knowledge of. Most places that have a Kangaroo problem need a solution that is available every day/evening/night and on smaller places fire one shot and they are all gone next door for awhile then come back hours later. Who is going to be there waiting.

If I had someone come here then for a start they would have to prove they have Insurance like say at least a SSAA Member and/or other Public Liability/Damage Insurance. Then there is the Biodiversity garbage clearance. What about background checks and are the Police going to give the Farmer the okay to say everything checks out.

In my view it's a bulls**t political story.

I've had numerous "Tags" supplied by NSW Parks & Wildlife and for years they have been the same as the current supposed new story. The "Drop n Don't Touch" has been out for years. NSWPW has said use for "On Property" use, cart the thing away into a dump site, use the meat, burn what's left.

For those that think they are going to get an invite to go shoot Roo's , well think again.
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Post by bigfellascott » 21 Aug 2018, 7:41 am

I've got access to a lot of properties over the years, I was always a complete stranger to 99% of them, I'd just ask the question if they'd mind me whistling a few foxes up and 99% of them were only too happy to let me on for a shot. Plenty of them was more than happy to ask if I would shoot roos too, which I'm happy to do if they get the tags to do so legally.

It's always amazed me how many farmers were more than happy to let a stranger on their land to shoot ferals, none have ever asked if I have any type of insurance (which I don't). :drinks:
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Post by Apollo » 21 Aug 2018, 1:10 pm

The biggest single talking point around here is this "Biosecurity" approval for farms and keeping the accreditation. Maybe it will wear off but it is the main reason I heard for not allowing access. Even the local electricity meter reader has been told to keep to the access road and not cut across paddocks. Then there is a mate who runs an earth moving business that now has to completely wash down his equipment before entering a new property.

None of this rubbish was around years ago. Then there is a neighbour (hobby farmer) who doesn't care to spray his weeds, even after being served with a weeds notice. Not that he drives around here but I don't want him to either spreading his rotten Serrated Tussock seed that would be everywhere under his vehicle.
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Post by bigfellascott » 21 Aug 2018, 3:12 pm

Apollo wrote:The biggest single talking point around here is this "Biosecurity" approval for farms and keeping the accreditation. Maybe it will wear off but it is the main reason I heard for not allowing access. Even the local electricity meter reader has been told to keep to the access road and not cut across paddocks. Then there is a mate who runs an earth moving business that now has to completely wash down his equipment before entering a new property.

None of this rubbish was around years ago. Then there is a neighbour (hobby farmer) who doesn't care to spray his weeds, even after being served with a weeds notice. Not that he drives around here but I don't want him to either spreading his rotten Serrated Tussock seed that would be everywhere under his vehicle.


Funny how none of this crap mattered in the old days and people just got on with life and still managed to get the job done, now everyone's trying to control everything to the nth degree, the worlds gone f***ing made with the way everything is trying to be controlled to such a degree.

I'm sure one day we will be told how often we can s**t and have a root. :unknown:

I can honestly say I haven't had one farmer talk to me about biosecurity maybe it's something for down Wimbledon way? mind you I do see a lot of serrated tussock out this way in my travels, not sure why it's not so feared around here? :unknown:
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Post by Rod_outbak » 21 Aug 2018, 7:14 pm

Yeah, being one of the landholders who has had this Biosecurity crap forced upon him, I can tell you that the vast majority of landholders dont want it, but have no choice. If you want to sell any Livestock and most crops in Australia, you will need to comply with the new Biosecurity laws.

As far as I can see, it's been introduced to keep a small proportion of specialist producers happy, and at the expense of everyone else. Our state Agri-Political organization stayed silent about the implications of the implementation of the new Biosecurity laws for THREE FREAKING YEARS, and then basically told us all we wouldnt be able to sell any livestock if we dont comply.
It is freaking, utterly stupid CRAP, and the people enforcing it dont care how unrealistic the new laws have become.

Dont assume it's the Landholder pushing this; they have ended up being the meat in a freaking big sandwich (that's considering going full vegan)...

At one stage, we were going to be expected to log the entry/exit of every vehicle that comes onto the place. Given there is 18kms of B-Class public road running through the middle of the property, just how likely is it we can get everyone to sign 'the book'?? Our mailman is barely able to actually deliver or pick up mail, so what chances have I got of that nut-case signing the book twice a week?
Biggest load of horse-poop EVER.
Take a look at how 2-faced the Biosecurity laws are, when you look at the excessive restrictions on landholders, compared to the fact that importers seem to keep importing infected seafood!
Every time I hear someone talk about the importance of Biosecurity in this country, I have to resist punching them in the face.
I'm all for protecting our ability to produce, but it has to be realistic and practical; not La-La Land garbage.

Sorry; Rant over.

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Post by NUTSACK » 21 Aug 2018, 7:22 pm

Funny how none of this crap mattered in the old days and people just got on with life and still managed to get the job done, now everyone's trying to control everything to the nth degree, the worlds gone f***ing made with the way everything is trying to be controlled to such a degree.

I'm sure one day we will be told how often we can s**t and have a root. :unknown:

I can honestly say I haven't had one farmer talk to me about biosecurity maybe it's something for down Wimbledon way? mind you I do see a lot of serrated tussock out this way in my travels, not sure why it's not so feared around here? :unknown:[/quote]


Oh ye the good ol' days when we had horse and cart and would never really travel far or visit many properties or travel hundreds of km's per day..the spread of weeds/seeds and other Biosecurity matter these days is a problem and that's part of what it's about.

I hate the control or being told what to do probably more than most but knowing a bit more about it now it does make more sense and farmers who run a good show are buying into it more and realise its importance..
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Post by Daddybang » 21 Aug 2018, 7:33 pm

Unfortunately unless ya put a 20ft wall and a roof on ya property biosecurity isn't going to do anything to stop the birds rats animals (both feral and native) from crossing a property line. :drinks:
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Post by NUTSACK » 21 Aug 2018, 7:36 pm

Rod_outbak wrote:Yeah, being one of the landholders who has had this Biosecurity crap forced upon him, I can tell you that the vast majority of landholders dont want it, but have no choice. If you want to sell any Livestock and most crops in Australia, you will need to comply with the new Biosecurity laws.

As far as I can see, it's been introduced to keep a small proportion of specialist producers happy, and at the expense of everyone else. Our state Agri-Political organization stayed silent about the implications of the implementation of the new Biosecurity laws for THREE FREAKING YEARS, and then basically told us all we wouldnt be able to sell any livestock if we dont comply.
It is freaking, utterly stupid CRAP, and the people enforcing it dont care how unrealistic the new laws have become.

Dont assume it's the Landholder pushing this; they have ended up being the meat in a freaking big sandwich (that's considering going full vegan)...

At one stage, we were going to be expected to log the entry/exit of every vehicle that comes onto the place. Given there is 18kms of B-Class public road running through the middle of the property, just how likely is it we can get everyone to sign 'the book'?? Our mailman is barely able to actually deliver or pick up mail, so what chances have I got of that nut-case signing the book twice a week?
Biggest load of horse-poop EVER.
Take a look at how 2-faced the Biosecurity laws are, when you look at the excessive restrictions on landholders, compared to the fact that importers seem to keep importing infected seafood!
Every time I hear someone talk about the importance of Biosecurity in this country, I have to resist punching them in the face.
I'm all for protecting our ability to produce, but it has to be realistic and practical; not La-La Land garbage.

Sorry; Rant over.

Cheers,

Rod.


Whilst i do agree with parts of what you say and i'm all for making things practical and realistic but you say "the people enforcing it dont care how unrealistic the new laws have become", well its not really up to these people, they are just doing a job and have no say in it. Kind of like blaming a copper for the laws you don't agree with..But like eveything in this country now its over the top to protect a minority but the majority have to live with it..
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Post by NUTSACK » 21 Aug 2018, 7:38 pm

Daddybang wrote:Unfortunately unless ya put a 20ft wall and a roof on ya property biosecurity isn't going to do anything to stop the birds rats animals (both feral and native) from crossing a property line. :drinks:



Correct but some sort of effort needs to be made with things we can control. Or at least the people above need to be seen like they are doing something..
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 21 Aug 2018, 8:30 pm

Well from my side of the fence biosecurity is very important for me. I could do better but I suppose I have to strike a balance between what's practical and the best practices. I see the importance in intensive animal farming, wines and I suppose fruit farms?????. I also get the power ppl to wash down their trucks and outside people are only allowed in certain parts of the property..ie the boundary.

On the other hand, I suppose I too don't see the importance of it for cropping and livestock as the instances of diseases aren't as prevalent. But I suppose it keeps a government department busy. Also I am not a cropping farmer.

It's not just biosecurity, we have a small flock of sheep (4 ewes and a ram). It first started with etags for the sheep. But now you have to do a truck load of paperwork and a course i to get accreditation, and be open for audits etc etc etc.... we only have 2 or 3 lambs to sell a year. So I cancelled my NILS.

Basically the point is, like all of these types of rules it makes it very hard for a hobby person to do the right thing.... and all this means is the increase of backyard and dodgy sellers... and the departments have no control over what happens as they officially don't know
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Post by NUTSACK » 22 Aug 2018, 8:02 am

In regards to the NLIS stuff it’s about traceability incase of an outbreak like foot and mouth etc
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