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Roo ammo

Post by Archie » 21 Oct 2018, 5:13 pm

Got a question which I'm pretty sure is a stupid one, but I'd rather ask than find out the hard way.

Mate has asked me to help him remove some roos from his property (he has a permit). I have very little experience in shooting roos, and on the couple I have shot in the past I have used a 243 with 95g ballistic silvertips and the results were pretty definitive - bang, flop. Not surprising given its designed for deer.

I have a 223 varmint rifle, which I'd like to use for this. In the past I've only used it for foxes and rabbits. It's a 1-12 twist, so I usually use lighter bullets - normally the Outback factory ammo which is 55g Sierra Blitzkings. I'd mainly like to use it because I'm a better shot with it, although happy enough to use the 243 if needed. Anything bigger seems like overkill.

So my questions are

1/ do you still have to headshoot them or are chest shots ok? Don't really mind either way but generally I always prefer chest to head shots on everything.
2/ are blitzkings the right bullet? if not, any recommendations?
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Post by SCJ429 » 21 Oct 2018, 5:36 pm

Blitzkings are pretty handy as are Vmax and Speer TNT. Well directed chest shot put them down every time.
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Post by duncan61 » 21 Oct 2018, 5:39 pm

If the carcasses are going for sale then head shots need to be taken and either rifle will work if you're going to hit them in the boiler room go the.243 to be sure.Under 100 metres the 95gn silvertips will hydraulic all the organs which is why they drop on the spot
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Post by Rod_outbak » 21 Oct 2018, 5:44 pm

You dont mention what sort of distance average you might be shooting?
We use a lot of Hornady 55gn Vmax/Zmax pills, which work pretty well. Overseer is pokking with these pills most days, and find them devastating for head shots out to around 200 metres. We are currently working through a few thousand Zmax pills, and at around ~$135 per 500, they are great value for money. My overseer keeps raving about them, and he's not usually very gushy about ammunition...
Another option might be the Speer 55Gn TNT HP projectiles; at ~$31/100, they look to be not bad value.

I've seen dozens of different projectiles used/reccomended for roos. Whatever works, but around 55gns in a .223 seems to work pretty well.
With a 1-12 twist, I dont think you'll be able to go much heavier.


In the .243, I've also used the 95Gn BT pills, and found them awesome. However, a cheaper option that performs very well, is the Hornady Vmax 87gn. Flys straight, and hits really hard. It should be cheaper than the Nosler 95BT.
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Post by bigfellascott » 21 Oct 2018, 6:00 pm

Pretty much any 50-55gn pill will sort roos out, I've used plenty of 50gn pills of all sorts on roos and they all seem to work well, I've got a bit of a fondness of the 55gn Sierra Super Roos they just kill things very well indeed.!
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Post by Archie » 21 Oct 2018, 6:13 pm

Rod_outbak wrote:You dont mention what sort of distance average you might be shooting?
We use a lot of Hornady 55gn Vmax/Zmax pills, which work pretty well. Overseer is pokking with these pills most days, and find them devastating for head shots out to around 200 metres. We are currently working through a few thousand Zmax pills, and at around ~$135 per 500, they are great value for money. My overseer keeps raving about them, and he's not usually very gushy about ammunition...
Another option might be the Speer 55Gn TNT HP projectiles; at ~$31/100, they look to be not bad value.

I've seen dozens of different projectiles used/reccomended for roos. Whatever works, but around 55gns in a .223 seems to work pretty well.
With a 1-12 twist, I dont think you'll be able to go much heavier.


In the .243, I've also used the 95Gn BT pills, and found them awesome. However, a cheaper option that performs very well, is the Hornady Vmax 87gn. Flys straight, and hits really hard. It should be cheaper than the Nosler 95BT.
Cheers,

Rod.


Cheers. In terms of range, personally I wouldn't want to be trying for headshots past 200m and I doubt anything longer would be needed. If it ends up being longer than that I'll go for a chest shot, and in that case it sounds like 243 is the go. These won't be for sale, it's just trying to cut down the numbers on the pasture.
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Post by duncan61 » 21 Oct 2018, 6:24 pm

Go the .243 and let them have it.are they all eastern greys are do you get reds
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Post by Jon79 » 21 Oct 2018, 8:14 pm

Been shooting heaps of roos here on the drought permits, 243 ammo is way too dear and over kill, was using the 223 55gn blitzkings but have found the gamekings much better
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Post by Rod_outbak » 21 Oct 2018, 8:19 pm

[quote="Archie"]
[quote="Rod_outbak"]
You dont mention what sort of distance average you might be shooting?
We use a lot of Hornady 55gn Vmax/Zmax pills, which work pretty well. Overseer is pokking with these pills most days, and find them devastating for head shots out to around 200 metres. We are currently working through a few thousand Zmax pills, and at around ~$135 per 500, they are great value for money. My overseer keeps raving about them, and he's not usually very gushy about ammunition...
Another option might be the Speer 55Gn TNT HP projectiles; at ~$31/100, they look to be not bad value.

I've seen dozens of different projectiles used/reccomended for roos. Whatever works, but around 55gns in a .223 seems to work pretty well.
With a 1-12 twist, I dont think you'll be able to go much heavier.


In the .243, I've also used the 95Gn BT pills, and found them awesome. However, a cheaper option that performs very well, is the Hornady Vmax 87gn. Flys straight, and hits really hard. It should be cheaper than the Nosler 95BT.
Cheers,

Rod.
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Cheers. In terms of range, personally I wouldn't want to be trying for headshots past 200m and I doubt anything longer would be needed. If it ends up being longer than that I'll go for a chest shot, and in that case it sounds like 243 is the go. These won't be for sale, it's just trying to cut down the numbers on the pasture.
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Archie,

Sorry; I mis-read what you originally posted. For some reason, I thought you were reloading, but you were asking about factory loads??

In .223 ammo Hornady currently loads/sell 55gn VMax pills in 50-round boxes for around $55 a box.

As far as factory .243 ammo, some of the Buffalo River/OSA/ADI .243 ammo is loaded with 87gn Vmax pills, and I have been working through a 480-round can of that in the past 6 months. Very consistent, nice brass to reload with afterwards, and they hit really hard.

I thought Hornady also made a 87Gn VMax load in .243 which was nigh identical, but I cant seem to find it, so may be discontinued.

If you are staying inside 200 metres, you are going to get a lot more roos on the ground with the .223 for the same money, but the .243 would be a nice Plan B.

Happy Pokking.

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Post by bigpete » 21 Oct 2018, 9:44 pm

Read the code of conduct for non commercial kangaroo culling.
Pretty darn sure you still have to head shoot them whether you're shooting to sell the carcasses or not
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Post by duncan61 » 21 Oct 2018, 10:34 pm

I agree.if the plan is to reduce numbers it's more humane to instantly kill with a headshot
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Post by Roo farmer » 22 Oct 2018, 1:18 am

Archie wrote:Cheers. In terms of range, personally I wouldn't want to be trying for headshots past 200m and I doubt anything longer would be needed. If it ends up being longer than that I'll go for a chest shot, and in that case it sounds like 243 is the go. These won't be for sale, it's just trying to cut down the numbers on the pasture.


Perhaps check the conditions of the permit. If it's anything like the permits I have had, (South Australia) even though it's just culling and not for sale of carcasses, they stipulate head shots with a 55grain or larger projectile going at 3000 feet per second or faster.

I personally have no problem with people culling roos with chest shots, however just depends how concerned you are about following the permit conditions.
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Post by bigpete » 22 Oct 2018, 5:49 am

Roo farmer wrote:
Archie wrote:Cheers. In terms of range, personally I wouldn't want to be trying for headshots past 200m and I doubt anything longer would be needed. If it ends up being longer than that I'll go for a chest shot, and in that case it sounds like 243 is the go. These won't be for sale, it's just trying to cut down the numbers on the pasture.


Perhaps check the conditions of the permit. If it's anything like the permits I have had, (South Australia) even though it's just culling and not for sale of carcasses, they stipulate head shots with a 55grain or larger projectile going at 3000 feet per second or faster.

I personally have no problem with people culling roos with chest shots, however just depends how concerned you are about following the permit conditions.


There is a nation wide code of conduct outlining methods and calibres
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Post by Archie » 22 Oct 2018, 7:32 am

bigpete wrote:
Roo farmer wrote:
Archie wrote:Cheers. In terms of range, personally I wouldn't want to be trying for headshots past 200m and I doubt anything longer would be needed. If it ends up being longer than that I'll go for a chest shot, and in that case it sounds like 243 is the go. These won't be for sale, it's just trying to cut down the numbers on the pasture.


Perhaps check the conditions of the permit. If it's anything like the permits I have had, (South Australia) even though it's just culling and not for sale of carcasses, they stipulate head shots with a 55grain or larger projectile going at 3000 feet per second or faster.

I personally have no problem with people culling roos with chest shots, however just depends how concerned you are about following the permit conditions.


There is a nation wide code of conduct outlining methods and calibres


Thanks guys.

As suggested, I took a look at the NSW guide (here if anyone wants https://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/asset ... -guide.pdf ) and yep, headshots are mandatory.
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Post by Bruiser64 » 22 Oct 2018, 8:06 pm

The code of practise is very clear about what is required as you have said. It also mandates a maximum shot distance of 200 metres. I would suggest using the ammo that shoots best in your 223. The need to comply with the code of practise means there is nothing to be gained using the .243. A roo’s head is not built so solidly that a pill heavier than 55 grains is warranted in my view. I am using my .204 (using 40 grain max pills) these days in preference to my 243. The results are emphatic when a roo is headshot. Obviously getting as close as possible without spooking the Roos is my preferred option as well. My understanding is DPI in NSW do conduct spot checks, so it pays to be compliant.
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Post by Blr243 » 31 Oct 2018, 6:07 pm

I use v max between the front legs Violent expansion very little chance of any part of the projectile continuing on to hit an unseen cow laying down in the grass I never shoot for the head It means more misses and more misses mean more chance of shooting something else behind the roo
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Post by HereSkip » 07 Nov 2018, 10:14 am

Blr243 wrote:I use v max between the front legs Violent expansion very little chance of any part of the projectile continuing on to hit an unseen cow laying down in the grass I never shoot for the head It means more misses and more misses mean more chance of shooting something else behind the roo


sounds like you couldnt hit water if you fell off a boat
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Post by Die Judicii » 07 Nov 2018, 8:44 pm

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This one didn't get up to argue or discuss the effectiveness or not.

Just on 220 meter mark.
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