Roo ammo

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Re: Roo ammo

Post by HereSkip » 08 Nov 2018, 5:47 am

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This one didn't get up to argue or discuss the effectiveness or not.

Just on 220 meter mark.

nice shot :friends:
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Post by Kelsey Cooter » 08 Nov 2018, 6:29 am

I do alot of roo culling and i believe its got to be gamekings not blitzkings. I think if your using 223 it sould always be head/neck shots on big roos, you'll find it won't take long to get bloody good at headshotting them
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Re: Roo ammo

Post by bigfellascott » 08 Nov 2018, 1:17 pm

Die Judicii wrote:
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This one didn't get up to argue or discuss the effectiveness or not.

Just on 220 meter mark.


That's cos it's got a splitting headache :D You should see the damage the Sierra Super Roos do to em, very messy indeed as are the Blitzkings, had quite a few with heads completely gone on em out (50gn BK out of the 222 at 50-80m range) it looked like they were removed surgically :shock:
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Re: Roo ammo

Post by Bruiser64 » 08 Nov 2018, 3:51 pm

Kelsey Cooter wrote:I do alot of roo culling and i believe its got to be gamekings not blitzkings. I think if your using 223 it sould always be head/neck shots on big roos, you'll find it won't take long to get bloody good at headshotting them


I am very happy with the performance of the 40 grain vmaxs in my 204. There is no doubt about the outcome when you headshoot a roo with that little sucker. The 87 grain vmaxs in the 243 are even less ambiguous. I agree with going for the headshots. The more you do it the better you get at judging the shot. I try to get as close as I can.
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Re: Roo ammo

Post by Stix » 08 Nov 2018, 8:02 pm

A bunny's head is quite a big target at 100...so my opinion is i dont think you should be shooting roos if you cant hit them in the skull/upper neck part of the head, at what ever range you can/or choose to shoot from.

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This one didn't get up to argue or discuss the effectiveness or not.

Just on 220 meter mark.


Hey DJ...curiosity has got the better of me mate...i cant help but ask...what is the paper towel for mate...?...(did you get THAT excited about that shot...? :lol: :thumbsup: )
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Re: Roo ammo

Post by Die Judicii » 09 Nov 2018, 5:28 pm

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I know,,,,,,,, I've posted this previously, but this time for those that haven't seen it before,,,,,

It was laying in a hollow sunning itself and only the crown of the head and the ears were visible.
I had lain waiting for quite a while for him to move, but gave up and took the shot.
I do not fear death itself... Only its inopportune timing!
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Post by Die Judicii » 09 Nov 2018, 5:36 pm

Stix wrote:
Hey DJ...curiosity has got the better of me mate...i cant help but ask...what is the paper towel for mate...?...(did you get THAT excited about that shot...? :lol: :thumbsup: )


Yeah Mate,,,,, Magazines like cleaner photos,,,,, :lol: Ya gotta think of the children.
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Re: Roo ammo

Post by TassieTiger » 09 Nov 2018, 7:46 pm

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Blr243 wrote:I use v max between the front legs Violent expansion very little chance of any part of the projectile continuing on to hit an unseen cow laying down in the grass I never shoot for the head It means more misses and more misses mean more chance of shooting something else behind the roo


sounds like you couldnt hit water if you fell off a boat


Im packing up the boat right now to take kids fishing in the morning, tripped on the farkin bow rope whilst checking some gauges and I did fall out of the bloody boat - hit the grass...just saying
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Post by madang55 » 27 Nov 2018, 10:13 pm

Head-shooting is a risk unless you are within 100m. If its further away, you will get another chance later. Just read the code of conduct. Get caught doing anything outside the code and you and whoever is with you at the time lose everything. I like my equipment exactly where it is, tucked into bed in my possession. NOT in a furnace.
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Post by Peter988 » 28 Nov 2018, 10:28 am

A related question. I believe the regulations also outlaw the use of “frangible” projectiles. I am struggling to find exactly which manufacturers class the projectiles as that. For example are hollow point considered frangible? I am currently loading ballistic tip for some planned culling in a Qld exclusion zone but some think these might also be frangible. Any thoughts on determining this a bit more effectively?
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Re: Roo ammo

Post by Gaznazdiak » 28 Nov 2018, 10:34 am

I could be wrong, someone will slap me if I am, but I believe a frangible projectile is one made from a metallic powder in some form of matrix such as resin or hard wax.

In which case the ballistic tips would not be in that category

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Post by Rod_outbak » 28 Nov 2018, 11:04 am

Frangible projectiles (I thought) are supposed to disintegrate on impact, rather than ricochet.

Before he vanished into thin air, the bloke at B&T Energetics was making a 50gn projectile('VarmintR'), which he said was sudden death on small game like rabbits. He sent me a box of them, after we'd had some grief with my initial order going missing.

His description of them was that they were a recycled product, and highly frangible.
They look to be a brass alloy, and I think they mostly vaporise on impact.

To date, I've not actually tried them out to see what they are like. However, I'd be concerned that they might explode on a roo's head without killing the poor animal. Might be awesome on rabbits, though.
I dont believe the Vmax , Ballistic Tip, or any of the Soft-Point projectiles are considered to be 'frangible'.
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Post by Archie » 28 Nov 2018, 11:26 am

So here's where I might go wrong as well but for what its worth I'll give you my understanding. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, this is just what I have always been told re hunting bullets

- A frangible hunting bullet is not made from a specific material (i.e. a powder etc). Rather it is designed to do a specific thing. That thing, is to basically shatter into razor sharp shards on impact. So you could divide hunting bullets (simplisitically) into solids (punch through an elephants skull and stay in one piece), expanding (softs, controlled expansion in various forms - think something that punches into a deers or pigs engine room, maybe after going in through the leg, expands to cause maximum damage, but aims to stay as much as possible in a single piece (max weight retention)), and lastly frangible.

The idea with the frangible one is to hit and shatter near the surface. Shreds rabbits, foxes etc. Hit a big heavy boned animal with one and depending on where it hits you cause a really nasty fleshwound and probably don't get to the vitals. So I use frangible bullets in my 223, and expanding ones in my 308.

This is a good article on the effective difference

https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/fran ... -big-game/
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Re: Roo ammo

Post by Peter988 » 28 Nov 2018, 11:50 am

Archie wrote:
The idea with the frangible one is to hit and shatter near the surface. Shreds rabbits, foxes etc. Hit a big heavy boned animal with one and depending on where it hits you cause a really nasty fleshwound and probably don't get to the vitals. So I use frangible bullets in my 223, and expanding ones in my 308.

This is a good article on the effective difference

https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/fran ... -big-game/


So what projectiles are you using in the 223 and does the manufacturer label them as frangible?
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Post by Archie » 28 Nov 2018, 12:19 pm

Peter988 wrote:
Archie wrote:
The idea with the frangible one is to hit and shatter near the surface. Shreds rabbits, foxes etc. Hit a big heavy boned animal with one and depending on where it hits you cause a really nasty fleshwound and probably don't get to the vitals. So I use frangible bullets in my 223, and expanding ones in my 308.

This is a good article on the effective difference

https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/fran ... -big-game/


So what projectiles are you using in the 223 and does the manufacturer label them as frangible?


No. I use Sierra 55g blitzkings and sierra describes them as having "explosive expansion" - those are just factory loads from OSA - in the past I used Hornady which are described as having "rapid fragmentation on contact".

Anyway, having done more reading on it I now realize I've got the wrong end of the stick here and Rod, Gaz etc are correct- there are bullets that are designed to be frangible (which is what I was describing), and there is a specific form of ammo called frangible ammunition designed to minimize ricochets and pass through, and its not the same thing.
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Re: Roo ammo

Post by Peter988 » 28 Nov 2018, 2:37 pm

Archie wrote:
Anyway, having done more reading on it I now realize I've got the wrong end of the stick here and Rod, Gaz etc are correct- there are bullets that are designed to be frangible (which is what I was describing), and there is a specific form of ammo called frangible ammunition designed to minimize ricochets and pass through, and its not the same thing.



Which takes me back to my quandary! To which of those two examples of “frangible” do the regulations refer? If it is the former then that rules out heaps of projectiles for culling jobs.
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Re: Roo ammo

Post by Rod_outbak » 28 Nov 2018, 2:46 pm

Seriously??

Here's a thought....

Why not use 'Roo-Load' projectiles?

Pretty darned sure they will be just fine to use....

You are over-thinking this way too much...
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Re: Roo ammo

Post by Peter988 » 28 Nov 2018, 4:35 pm

Because I getter better accuracy with the ballistic tips. But some people tell me they are frangible. Just trying to put that to bed one way or another.
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