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Glad I Confirmed target before Shooting.

Post by AZZA'S HJ47 » 21 Oct 2018, 11:26 pm

Dont you just love it when you head down to your local property and decide to do a little feral pest control to help the farmer out.

Now as most people would be aware best to confirm before you pull to magic button for the boom stick exactly what im shooting at. Now the propperty that i am on has numerous foxes and dogs on it along side many other things. I spotted a set of eyes probably 200 maybe a touch more out in the distance.

Now given its size distance between the eye, easy to determin that it was a medium sized dog. A few blows on the fox whistle and this is where i stared to not seem right. The dog would tilt its head from side to side and slowly walk towards me. The dog got to within 80m. Torch on the animal cross hairs between the eyes I saw something shiny at which point I uncocked the gun it was a metal id tag the dog had a coller on.

Long story short rang the number on the coller and heard the person had lost the dog almost two months ago. And they also lived some 300 + km away.

One happy family to see their dog again.
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Post by bigrich » 22 Oct 2018, 4:30 am

Good on ya azza, it’s nice to read a “feel good “ story with a happy ending :thumbsup:
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Post by Rod_outbak » 22 Oct 2018, 5:36 am

There's a black lamb/weaner that lives around the homestead at present. At this stage, he's the right size, shape & colour to look like a medium-sized pig. He even has a bit of white on his head, which breaks up the outline of his silhouette, so he looks like a freaking BIG pig.
This enterprising lad likes to frequent around the turnoff; roughly 350 metres from the house.

I've lost count of how many times I've feverishly put the scope on him, to find a big woolly arse; munching away without a care in the world.
Overseer tells me the same; a few trips returning to the house on the bike, and nearly having heart failure to find the largest pig ever; only to discover it's woolly.

To make matters worse, every so often, a real pig gets substituted in, and we tend to assume it's the freaking woolly fat bastard...
[Might be easier to simply shoot the woolly porker at some stage...]

Any news on why the dog had travelled over 300kms? A wandering dog isnt fondly regarded in this country.
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Post by AZZA'S HJ47 » 22 Oct 2018, 3:21 pm

When i spoke to the owner of the dog he explained that relationship that he has with one of his neighbours isn't the best and that the at the time he couldnt confirm it believed that the neighbors grabbed the dog and being a interstate truckie decided to ditch it out the middle of no where.

I was a little sceptical as to if it were legit when i spoke to the owner of the dog he ended up picking the dog up at 9am this morning with a very happy and cheerfull son.

He asked how was it that i found the dog. I told him i was spotlighting for foxes and how lucky he was. He dropped off a carton of beer that i ended up giving to the property caretaker ( i dont drink ) happy days all round.
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Post by duncan61 » 22 Oct 2018, 9:46 pm

I wish I was as careful as you.At the farm one foggy night I shot whatI thought was a fox between the eyes and it was a newborn calf.It would not have made it through the night as it had been abandoned.It tasted great but I am glad the farmer did not miss it as he keeps stock for keeping the grass down and beef.they are mostly friesan and I have never seen a calf on the property in 25 years
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Post by Stix » 22 Oct 2018, 10:11 pm

A good ending to what could have been a sad outcome... :clap:
Good on ya Azza...i love dogs & it'd be sad to have a loved dog shot unnecessarily. ..!!

Spotlighting foxes while lambs are dropping is a time to be sure of the target...!!

With foxes stalking the sheep for a big free feed pf protein & then dissapearing in the stubble/feed, then you see the eyes again pop up 'over there', only to discover the second set of eyes is a ewe squeezing a little sheep out its ahrse...phew...

I nearly shot 3 sheep this march/april lambing season due to cunning foxes stalking the sheep for the after birth...

Thankfully i didnt squeeze a tad more tension on the trigger each time & i still remain free of accidentally shooting stock...

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Post by Member-Deleted » 22 Oct 2018, 10:40 pm

I don't know about you blokes but I go by eye colour when the light hits them dogs tend to throw an aqua colour so
anything other than that I throw caution to the wind and put a name to the animal before even tempting a shot
You do get to know the animals eye colour with lights especially the ones you hunt regular
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Post by Member-Deleted » 22 Oct 2018, 11:05 pm

Geez duncan61 you serious shooting a calf mate I wouldn't tell anybody i'd done that and do you know a mother will calve
and go away feeding and will only come back to feed the calf at intervals then after a day or so they tend to travel with the mother
Not all breeds do this but most , others bail up with the calf and mosey around for awhile then go feed
Your a wild man Duncan that's all I can say
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Post by duncan61 » 22 Oct 2018, 11:48 pm

The herd was in a seperate paddock and it was a cold foggy night.I had already shot 6 foxes and it looked the same red eyes and all sheep and goats have green eyes and I have never seen a cat on the block.The herd are there to fatten up and they get a one way trip on the big truck.they are not supposed to be dropping calves.its still no excuse and I am lucky to get away with it.just following the topic and sharing.It is very hard to get the full story clear on a forum
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Post by Member-Deleted » 23 Oct 2018, 12:57 am

Fair nuff mate it can be trying shooting at night sometimes
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Post by bigpete » 23 Oct 2018, 2:07 am

Sounds pretty s**t if you ask me
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Post by Bent Arrow » 23 Oct 2018, 6:51 am

bigpete wrote:Sounds pretty s**t if you ask me


Yep.
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Post by Rod_outbak » 23 Oct 2018, 10:54 am

[quote]I don't know about you blokes but I go by eye colour when the light hits them dogs tend to throw an aqua colour so
anything other than that I throw caution to the wind and put a name to the animal before even tempting a shot
You do get to know the animals eye colour with lights especially the ones you hunt regular[/quote]


Going by eye reflection colour is great in theory; doesnt always work..
Back about 16 years ago, we were doing a lot of fox spotlighting.
Every fox we'd seen had bright red/yellow eyes reflected when spotlighted, and sheep were a dazzly iridescent green.
From what I recall, I remember bright light blue (aqua) eyeflash from the few dogs I've seen under a spotlight as well.

Heading out one night(~2002), and just as we left the house, there's bright red eyes; roughly 100 yards away, and right on the limit of the crappy spotlight we had at the time. We knew there was a fox hanging around the house; bastard had stolen one of my Ugg boots a few nights earlier, and given it a good mauling.
Mate lined (what we thought was a) fox up, and blew the head off a poor wether(sheep).
As poor old mate's head blows apart, about 30 sets of bright green eyes flick on around the corpse...
Until that moment, we had no idea that SOME sheep dont have the same colour of eyes!

We promptly upgraded the spotlight(s) on the night rig; now we make positive ID on all customers before pulling the trigger.

Brushtail possums can also have similar eyeflash/behaviour to a cat as well.

On an aside, I've been told that foxes tend to look down their noses at the spotlight, wheras a cat looks straight at it.
If you aim between the eyes of a cat, you'll likely land a 'present' dead centre of their cranium, wheras with a fox, I was told to aim about an inch below the eyes?
Can anyone confirm this, or is it another myth?
[Dont get much fox action these days; been years since any customers in the Vulpine category.
Porcine, Macropodine, Leporine, Canine, Ovine, Bovine and Equine have all had a few encounters, but Vulpine is a bit sparse these days...sigh.]
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Post by Member-Deleted » 23 Oct 2018, 11:37 am

Your right Rod there are instances when the eye colour is not normal for that animal and this is why I don't shoot at just a
set of eyes I try to get an outline of the animal as well as eye colour in nearly all cases you will make a good call :thumbsup:
It's not a perfect world and we can sometimes slip up and this is why I must be absolutely sure what i'm shooting at
the reason i'm so bent on being so sure of the animal before shooting is I almost shot a large ground owl once its eye colour was the same as a cat
it lay length way like a cat and was a tabby colour but because I stuck with total recognition before shooting that owl lived :thumbsup: :clap:
I had got closer to it recognised what it was and drove to within 8m of it it was a majestic animal so that reinforced in me what I have always done
the right thing :thumbsup:
'' Never shoot until you know exactly what you are shooting'' if it moves away while you are doing this then it'll be there for some other time
at least you haven't shot a different animal
And I do understand every situation is different
If I was to shoot any stock ,domestic dog , native animals up here and was found out I may as well sell all my rifles as the locals would put an end to my shooting on their properties and I very much doubt I would be welcome at the shooting clubs either
I know it can be daunting at times while spotting to get a complete recognition of the animal but it has to be done or mistakes will happen
and will always happen its very easy to make a mistake but its very hard if not impossible to undo :thumbsup:

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Post by Stix » 23 Oct 2018, 8:01 pm

bigpete wrote:Sounds pretty s**t if you ask me


Bent Arrow wrote:
bigpete wrote:Sounds pretty s**t if you ask me


Yep.


What specifically are we talking about here can i ask...?
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Post by Bent Arrow » 23 Oct 2018, 8:35 pm

Stix wrote:
bigpete wrote:Sounds pretty s**t if you ask me


Bent Arrow wrote:
bigpete wrote:Sounds pretty s**t if you ask me


Yep.


What specifically are we talking about here can i ask...?



Refers to this from Duncan:

"I wish I was as careful as you.At the farm one foggy night I shot whatI thought was a fox between the eyes and it was a newborn calf.It would not have made it through the night as it had been abandoned.It tasted great but I am glad the farmer did not miss it as he keeps stock for keeping the grass down and beef.they are mostly friesan and I have never seen a calf on the property in 25 years"

Duncan's post refers to what I regard as three key ethical and moral failures within the one paragraph. (1) failed to be absolutely certain of the target before pulling the trigger. (2) failed to take responsibility for his mistake and own up to the farmer that he had killed one of the farmers livestock, (3) took the meat from the calf he killed off of the farm without permission.
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Post by tom604 » 23 Oct 2018, 8:51 pm

bit over five ks a day, easy to do but what was the dog eating?
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Post by Member-Deleted » 23 Oct 2018, 11:23 pm

Yeah tom604 you've lost me mate
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Post by AZZA'S HJ47 » 24 Oct 2018, 7:48 am

tom604 wrote:bit over five ks a day, easy to do but what was the dog eating?


Who knows there are plenty of things that the dog could have eaten the place is teaming with life.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 24 Oct 2018, 12:46 pm

Bent Arrow wrote:
Stix wrote:
bigpete wrote:Sounds pretty s**t if you ask me


Bent Arrow wrote:
bigpete wrote:Sounds pretty s**t if you ask me


Yep.


What specifically are we talking about here can i ask...?



Refers to this from Duncan:

"I wish I was as careful as you.At the farm one foggy night I shot whatI thought was a fox between the eyes and it was a newborn calf.It would not have made it through the night as it had been abandoned.It tasted great but I am glad the farmer did not miss it as he keeps stock for keeping the grass down and beef.they are mostly friesan and I have never seen a calf on the property in 25 years"

Duncan's post refers to what I regard as three key ethical and moral failures within the one paragraph. (1) failed to be absolutely certain of the target before pulling the trigger. (2) failed to take responsibility for his mistake and own up to the farmer that he had killed one of the farmers livestock, (3) took the meat from the calf he killed off of the farm without permission.


Totally agree with you.

The property on which I live is now off limits to any shooters but family, and myself as the one trusted with the responsibility of controlling ferals on the part of it where the house I rent is located, for precisely this sort of careless, dishonest and disrespectful behaviour by shooters in the past.

Killing a valuable stock animal after carelessly misidentifying it is one thing, and accidents occasionally happen but hiding it from the owner, whose livelihood is derived from those animals, is morally wrong, and taking the animal off the property without permission is a criminal act of theft.

These are exactly the sort of behaviours that brand all responsible shooters as the murderous rednecks the the lace panties at GCA would have the uninformed public believe we are.
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Post by Daddybang » 24 Oct 2018, 3:15 pm

Aj thats a f@#kin great result and good on ya !! :thumbsup: :drinks:

Gaznazdiak wrote:
Bent Arrow wrote:
Stix wrote:
bigpete wrote:Sounds pretty s**t if you ask me


Bent Arrow wrote:
bigpete wrote:Sounds pretty s**t if you ask me


Yep.


What specifically are we talking about here can i ask...?



Refers to this from Duncan:

"I wish I was as careful as you.At the farm one foggy night I shot whatI thought was a fox between the eyes and it was a newborn calf.It would not have made it through the night as it had been abandoned.It tasted great but I am glad the farmer did not miss it as he keeps stock for keeping the grass down and beef.they are mostly friesan and I have never seen a calf on the property in 25 years"

Duncan's post refers to what I regard as three key ethical and moral failures within the one paragraph. (1) failed to be absolutely certain of the target before pulling the trigger. (2) failed to take responsibility for his mistake and own up to the farmer that he had killed one of the farmers livestock, (3) took the meat from the calf he killed off of the farm without permission.


Totally agree with you.

The property on which I live is now off limits to any shooters but family, and myself as the one trusted with the responsibility of controlling ferals on the part of it where the house I rent is located, for precisely this sort of careless, dishonest and disrespectful behaviour by shooters in the past.

Killing a valuable stock animal after carelessly misidentifying it is one thing, and accidents occasionally happen but hiding it from the owner, whose livelihood is derived from those animals, is morally wrong, and taking the animal off the property without permission is a criminal act of theft.

These are exactly the sort of behaviours that brand all responsible shooters as the murderous rednecks the the lace panties at GCA would have the uninformed public believe we are.
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Post by duncan61 » 24 Oct 2018, 4:15 pm

Calf would have died that night and the farmer is a good mate and he would not care.Over the years I have removed dozens of sick dairy cattle from their properties.It was still wrong and I was lucky.I am a lot more careful now.A tennis buddy of mine let some guys on his block and they shot 3 black Angus thinking they were pigs.
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Post by AZZA'S HJ47 » 24 Oct 2018, 6:09 pm

This is my only property I am so carefull with every aspect of what i do the owner of the property puts me in his house when im there. I stock the fridge and cupboard and clean the house from head to toe before i leave. I dont take this property for granted as despite all my efforts it is my only property i have access to.

Darren the property owner made it very clear that he only allows family friends and his son to shoot on the property due to gates being left open and livestock loss.

This being said I encourage that all persons treat properties in the same manor. If we want to regain the trust of farmers and property owners we all need to do our bit to restore trust in the comunity.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 24 Oct 2018, 6:42 pm

Duncan61 mate throw that shovel away before the hole gets too deep and you can't get out :thumbsdown:
I replied to your post earlier about shooting that calf with tongue in cheek but reading your posts since it seems to me that you don't understand the
enormity of what wrongfully shooting stock on a property that you are a visitor, be it invited or uninvited :?
Even if the calf would have died its not up to you to kill it accidently or otherwise until you are asked to do so
So then as was said not informing the owner , taking the meat off the property is unlawful this I do know :thumbsdown: :silent:
Then there's the area of anti gun nuts reading this and using it for fodder to come back at gun users :thumbsdown:
Mate i'll give you a little friendly advice and I think most on here would agree with it '' be very careful of what you write on this forum as it could lead to more serious problems for you as what you have admitted to is unlawful '' period'' :crazy:
Keep in mind that many people from all walks of life , and maybe even legal professions are on this forum at any given time
Mate i'm sorry if you are offended by this post but I have said before on this forum I am straight down the line and say it as it is

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Post by duncan61 » 24 Oct 2018, 7:38 pm

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Post by Daddybang » 25 Oct 2018, 7:55 am

AZZA'S HJ47 wrote:This is my only property I am so carefull with every aspect of what i do the owner of the property puts me in his house when im there. I stock the fridge and cupboard and clean the house from head to toe before i leave. I dont take this property for granted as despite all my efforts it is my only property i have access to.

Darren the property owner made it very clear that he only allows family friends and his son to shoot on the property due to gates being left open and livestock loss.

This being said I encourage that all persons treat properties in the same manor. If we want to regain the trust of farmers and property owners we all need to do our bit to restore trust in the comunity.


this is someone who does their part to show the good side of shooters !!!!
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Post by Oldbloke » 25 Oct 2018, 7:34 pm

Yonks ago I stopped spot lighting. Why. Because it’s often difficult to confirm the target. The risk of an accident or miss identifying must be higher in the dark.
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Post by AZZA'S HJ47 » 25 Oct 2018, 7:43 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Yonks ago I stopped spot lighting. Why. Because it’s often difficult to confirm the target. The risk of an accident or miss identifying must be higher in the dark.



I agree with you Oldbloke spotlighting is more risky however i have personally found that spotlighting at night always delivers more and ferals can be spotted alot easier in scrub just from the reflection of their eyes. However if you only shoot when you have 100% confirmed what it is that you are shooting at the rewards will easily outweigh the risk. :drinks:
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