TassieTiger wrote:My parents have told me how a gun fell over in my room when I was 3 putting a hole in the adjacent wall - I cringe at the what if’s, but they retort - that’s the way it used to be..,guns in wardrobes with one up the spout....shudder...
bigfellascott wrote:OCD isn't a bad thing to have when it comes to firearms safety, I'm the same and keep checking with others when we are out spotlighting or hunting - better safe than sorry.
bigfellascott wrote:TassieTiger wrote:My parents have told me how a gun fell over in my room when I was 3 putting a hole in the adjacent wall - I cringe at the what if’s, but they retort - that’s the way it used to be..,guns in wardrobes with one up the spout....shudder...
It's still that way in America - The land of Freedom my arse, the land of halfwits more like it!
TassieTiger wrote:Everyone on here has been through the gun handlers course and if like me, you’d think - that course was as safe as it could get...
Stix wrote:TassieTiger wrote:Everyone on here has been through the gun handlers course and if like me, you’d think - that course was as safe as it could get...
Tassie...my little grasshopper...
Im hazzarding an educated giess that there are a lot...& i mean A LOT of members here that have never done the gun handlers course...
I grew up shooting & chasing bunnies & getting my gun license was so important to me...!!
I couldnt get out of bed for anything but going shootin...& on my 16th b'day i got my backside outa bed & caught the bus down to the local cop shop, answered maybe a dozen (?) very basic multiple choice questions & walked out with my firearms licence. .
Never did a course ever...
But i could safely operate all the old mans firearms safely & i was bought up with muzzle awareness almost literally being punched into my head...so much so that to this day its all i instinctively think about if i see a gun.
There are many more here, that like me we just filled out a form to get our license
Not having done a "handlers course" doesnt mean i didnt have a teacher tho...
I still remember ine day as a young fella i jumped a fence with the .410 in my hand...i can still feel the ol'mans voice shattering my entire being...!!
It may have been safe, but i dont recall having ever done it since.
Archie wrote:I carry a round in the chamber with the bolt home but handle up, and the bold handle held up by a doubled, thick rubber band that in turn is looped round the scope.
Thoughts?
Stix wrote:
I still remember ine day as a young fella i jumped a fence with the .410 in my hand...i can still feel the ol'mans voice shattering my entire being...!!
It may have been safe, but i dont recall having ever done it since.
Archie wrote:I carry a round in the chamber with the bolt home but handle up, and the bold handle held up by a doubled, thick rubber band that in turn is looped round the scope.
Thoughts?
Stix wrote:Archie wrote:I carry a round in the chamber with the bolt home but handle up, and the bold handle held up by a doubled, thick rubber band that in turn is looped round the scope.
Thoughts?
Only one place for rubbers...& i just deleted what i wrote here...but it did include such words as drunk...& ugly...
So is the rubber band because you dont trust yourself, or your awareness to not know if you've closed the bolt...?
If thats the case & you're that worried why have a round in there..?
Not having a go at all Archie...just trying to understand the need for a rubber band holding up the bolt...
I would hate anything obstructing the action on my rifles...absolutely hate it...i want controll...
Is there any chance when you fire a round the recoil & rubber band lifts the bolt causing it to fly back & wedge in your eye socket...?
If i approach say an area of land where i may need to get a shot off real quick, i pre chamber a round & have the bolt up in that "notch" if you know what i mean with thumb over the bolt & finger over trigger guard ready to go...
My experience tells me it is only fatigue &/or laziness that prevents me to carry a rifle for extended periods of time in the manner i mention above--as holding the rifle in such a way is not what id call "relaxing" for the right hand...& if thats the case-fatigue or laziness kicks in, there comes a much higher risk of an accident...
In which case, i empty the chamber...just not worth the risk...its just not...
This happened to me earlier this year...came face to face with mr fox on the outskirts of farm infrastructure after a long 2 hour morning walk with the 204...i was pretty fatigued so i emptied the chamber....so instead of mr fox gettig a smack to the heart from a round i already had in the chamber, he got chased away by hastily chambered & wasted rounds...but i rather that than fatigue or cramp in the trigger hand with a live one ready to go...
Each to his own Archie...if that works for you & is always safe, then its a good thing...but like i said id hate something around my bolt...
Bigjobss wrote:Ive always wondered about having the bolt open because most (mauser) based actions are cock on open so wont mean that the pin is retracted when the bolt is up and a round is chambered? Surely this is another mechanism in place preventing release of the pin?
So would then an enfield style cock on close be safer with a round chambered and bolt up?
Archie wrote:Stix wrote:Archie wrote:I carry a round in the chamber with the bolt home but handle up, and the bold handle held up by a doubled, thick rubber band that in turn is looped round the scope.
Thoughts?
Only one place for rubbers...& i just deleted what i wrote here...but it did include such words as drunk...& ugly...
So is the rubber band because you dont trust yourself, or your awareness to not know if you've closed the bolt...?
If thats the case & you're that worried why have a round in there..?
Not having a go at all Archie...just trying to understand the need for a rubber band holding up the bolt...
I would hate anything obstructing the action on my rifles...absolutely hate it...i want controll...
Is there any chance when you fire a round the recoil & rubber band lifts the bolt causing it to fly back & wedge in your eye socket...?
If i approach say an area of land where i may need to get a shot off real quick, i pre chamber a round & have the bolt up in that "notch" if you know what i mean with thumb over the bolt & finger over trigger guard ready to go...
My experience tells me it is only fatigue &/or laziness that prevents me to carry a rifle for extended periods of time in the manner i mention above--as holding the rifle in such a way is not what id call "relaxing" for the right hand...& if thats the case-fatigue or laziness kicks in, there comes a much higher risk of an accident...
In which case, i empty the chamber...just not worth the risk...its just not...
This happened to me earlier this year...came face to face with mr fox on the outskirts of farm infrastructure after a long 2 hour morning walk with the 204...i was pretty fatigued so i emptied the chamber....so instead of mr fox gettig a smack to the heart from a round i already had in the chamber, he got chased away by hastily chambered & wasted rounds...but i rather that than fatigue or cramp in the trigger hand with a live one ready to go...
Each to his own Archie...if that works for you & is always safe, then its a good thing...but like i said id hate something around my bolt...
Couple of reasons. The main one is it requires more positive force to fully close the bolt than if I just had it chambered with the bolt handle still up. That reduces the chance of the bolt closing because it gets knocked against something - say if I fall and land on the rifle, or if I drop the rifle. Most of where I hunt is fairly hilly bush country so even watching what you're doing its always a real risk.So basically I'm doing the same thing you do with the bolt in the "notch" except that this way it requires a bit more force to fully close it.
I don't feel it reduces my control in a meaningful way, and it makes me 1/ faster than not having a round chambered at all and 2/ more comfortable with having a round chambered than I would be without it. Its a bit of a compromise between the two.
In terms the bolt opening because of the band combined with recoil, it's not likely. Firstly because it takes more force - the main rifle I use that technique on is a proper mauser style extractor, no way is that coming up easy. Second is because once the bolt handle is pushed down the end of the rubber band slips up the bolt handle closer to the receiver so it has less tension in it than when the bolt is open.
Archie wrote:I carry a round in the chamber with the bolt home but handle up, and the bold handle held up by a doubled, thick rubber band that in turn is looped round the scope.
Thoughts?
Stix wrote:Its just that freak accident from a brief moment of complacency we all need to avoid...
Ive had one with a circ saw & that was messy & traumatic enough, so i dont ever want one with a gun...
Urastus wrote:Well here's a doozy Those leather toe guards for trap shooters. You thread it through your laces - it's suppose to protect your boot when you rest the end of the barrel on it Sure, I imagine they all have their actions broken, of course.
bladeracer wrote:Stix wrote:Its just that freak accident from a brief moment of complacency we all need to avoid...
Ive had one with a circ saw & that was messy & traumatic enough, so i dont ever want one with a gun...
You too!
I run a 9-1/4" Makita through my right wrist in 1990
Blr243 wrote:Ok. Sounds like I’m not the only dummy to have an incident with a circular saw. Those teeth don’t exactly leave a nice clean cut I don’t feel like the flesh was cut away from the end of my finger. I felt like the flesh was ripped off me. Quite embarrassing really