tom604 wrote:Totally agree but im not allowed to use my 223 (set calibers for critters) and the 308 is what i have,only take the legs
Cal-ApeR wrote:Yeah I thought 130 was a nice weight for fallow. I agree I know they are light framed just wasn't sure on the HP construction. I picked up a box of Speer today so we will see. Also grabbed some 130gr Woodleigh sp. I'll see what groups best and go with it.
Im thinking I would be safer with regards to meat preservation by using the SP but we will see.
bigfellascott wrote:tom604 wrote:Totally agree but im not allowed to use my 223 (set calibers for critters) and the 308 is what i have,only take the legs
Really a 223 isn't good enough in SA? Must be armour plated ones down there
Cal-ApeR wrote:Speer 130gr HP? Are you a fan?
tom604 wrote:bigfellascott wrote:tom604 wrote:Totally agree but im not allowed to use my 223 (set calibers for critters) and the 308 is what i have,only take the legs
Really a 223 isn't good enough in SA? Must be armour plated ones down there
"not allowed" as in a cull situation ,,,everything is stronger in South Aus
JimTom wrote:Cal-ApeR wrote:Speer 130gr HP? Are you a fan?
I have found them a bit soft on piggies at closer ranges as they expand rather quickly, as you would expect.
Put a bit of distance between you and the target and they are pretty good.
Fairly cheap at present also. Reckon I saw them advertised for $29/100 recently.
bigfellascott wrote:JimTom wrote:Cal-ApeR wrote:Speer 130gr HP? Are you a fan?
I have found them a bit soft on piggies at closer ranges as they expand rather quickly, as you would expect.
Put a bit of distance between you and the target and they are pretty good.
Fairly cheap at present also. Reckon I saw them advertised for $29/100 recently.
Did they not ancher em? All the ones I've shot with it have just been instant bang flops using em. I don't get many exits but the insides are just pulped like nothing else.
bigpete wrote:From my experiences I wouldn't use a 223 either. Every one I've shot with a 223 has run off to die,one was hit multiple times in the chest ( granted,bad bullets ). None I've hit with a 308 have moved more than 10 paces and the one that went that far spent most of that time rolling downhill.
JimTom wrote:bigfellascott wrote:JimTom wrote:Cal-ApeR wrote:Speer 130gr HP? Are you a fan?
I have found them a bit soft on piggies at closer ranges as they expand rather quickly, as you would expect.
Put a bit of distance between you and the target and they are pretty good.
Fairly cheap at present also. Reckon I saw them advertised for $29/100 recently.
Did they not ancher em? All the ones I've shot with it have just been instant bang flops using em. I don't get many exits but the insides are just pulped like nothing else.
I have never had one exit either mate, even at super close range. I have found them good at 100m or more. Like you said they do the job fine then.
bigpete wrote:50gn sierra soft points,the bad one was that s**t wolf ammo. I'll stick to using a bigger calibre....
Bigjobss wrote:I shot a couple fallow with 150g corelokts out of a 300wm and they had excellent expansion with suprisingly little meat damage, one was neck the other was texas heart.
Should note I use "premium" projectiles on sambar but figured with that much grunt I could get away with a "cheapie" and I learnt two things:
1) great peformance and accuracy for intended purpose
2) would never used them on sambar, they would probably just explode and even in a heavier weight I dont see them giving great penetration
Bigjobss wrote:Partially, neck shot I recovered most minus some of the jacket which blew out the back with a small exit hole and the heart shot it clipped the rib on the way out and left some of the jacket behind.
Below is the neck shot projectile, front on shot so base of neck/top of shoulder, both deer and projectile were absolutely pancacked. Shot was at around 150m. Would not trust this on a big a animal through the shoulder.
bigfellascott wrote:tom604 wrote:bigfellascott wrote:tom604 wrote:Totally agree but im not allowed to use my 223 (set calibers for critters) and the 308 is what i have,only take the legs
Really a 223 isn't good enough in SA? Must be armour plated ones down there
"not allowed" as in a cull situation ,,,everything is stronger in South Aus
What's their reasoning behind that?
bigfellascott wrote:Bigjobss wrote:Partially, neck shot I recovered most minus some of the jacket which blew out the back with a small exit hole and the heart shot it clipped the rib on the way out and left some of the jacket behind.
Below is the neck shot projectile, front on shot so base of neck/top of shoulder, both deer and projectile were absolutely pancacked. Shot was at around 150m. Would not trust this on a big a animal through the shoulder.
Noice, yeah I would find something with a bit more copper in the base for the more solidly boned stuff
tom604 wrote:bigfellascott wrote:tom604 wrote:bigfellascott wrote:tom604 wrote:Totally agree but im not allowed to use my 223 (set calibers for critters) and the 308 is what i have,only take the legs
Really a 223 isn't good enough in SA? Must be armour plated ones down there
"not allowed" as in a cull situation ,,,everything is stronger in South Aus
What's their reasoning behind that?
they like overkill?? it could be that when your hitting a mob of goats a larger cal will anchor a goat if its not a killing shot,,243 using 100 gr projies is the min
Bigjobss wrote:bigfellascott wrote:Bigjobss wrote:Partially, neck shot I recovered most minus some of the jacket which blew out the back with a small exit hole and the heart shot it clipped the rib on the way out and left some of the jacket behind.
Below is the neck shot projectile, front on shot so base of neck/top of shoulder, both deer and projectile were absolutely pancacked. Shot was at around 150m. Would not trust this on a big a animal through the shoulder.
Noice, yeah I would find something with a bit more copper in the base for the more solidly boned stuff
Barnes TTSX have served that purpose alright for me so far, great penetration and I have never recovered a projectile but they do provide excellent wound channels. I often visit the debate of whether I prefer the energy to stay in the animal or lose some but create an exit hole and blood trail. At the moment I have settled on exit hole because the 300wm brings much more energy than is needed so a little loss cant hurt and I havent lost an animal with the TTSX (yet).
Only issue I had was a dog at 15m where I needed a second shot, which suprised the crap out of me, I reckon it was too close and too light of animal and the projectile went straight through with no expansion.
Cal-ApeR wrote:Funny that. Seen a mate literally hit a fox at about 150m with 150gr sst. Bugger went down and got back up slowly. Hit him again. Went down, got back up.... Very slowly. Third shot finished him. No expansion going on there, good example of why there are differently constructed projectiles.