Shooting in the rain

[bladeracer]

Yes youre right & i get that...i guess i was trying to say i dont think the receiver would blow up even with a drop of water in it & tape over the barrel...i still think it would blow out the muzzle...
But again im not advocating giving it a go...

No shotguns fired into pools of water here...


Marksman...its a shame there wasnt another camera pointed at all those guys faces above the water when that shotgun exploded...some serious WTF expressions along with a little leakage im sure...!!
An extreme example, but a good one none the less...

And thanks Marksman...

The receiver won't blow up unless the case fails spectacularly. The pressure is between the bolt face and the blockage in the barrel, and the barrel is almost always going to be weaker than the receiver.

I'm curious if there would be a difference between 150mm of water resting against the shell, instead of the 400mm airgap between the shot and the water. Pour the water in whith the barrel pointed upwards and I think it would just have horrendous recoil, without damaging the barrel. With the muzzle in the water, the water in the barrel has nowhere to go, so it's easier to split the barrel.

[Stix]

Yes youre right & i get that...i guess i was trying to say i dont think the receiver would blow up even with a drop of water in it & tape over the barrel...i still think it would blow out the muzzle...
But again im not advocating giving it a go...

No shotguns fired into pools of water here...


Marksman...its a shame there wasnt another camera pointed at all those guys faces above the water when that shotgun exploded...some serious WTF expressions along with a little leakage im sure...!!
An extreme example, but a good one none the less...

And thanks Marksman...

The receiver won't blow up unless the case fails spectacularly. The pressure is between the bolt face and the blockage in the barrel, and the barrel is almost always going to be weaker than the receiver.

I'm curious if there would be a difference between 150mm of water resting against the shell, instead of the 400mm airgap between the shot and the water. Pour the water in whith the barrel pointed upwards and I think it would just have horrendous recoil, without damaging the barrel. With the muzzle in the water, the water in the barrel has nowhere to go, so it's easier to split the barrel.

Wel Blade, if anyone here is likely to have a random or sacrificial barreled action laying around it would be you... ...so maybe you should be the nutty professor who does the experiment for all of us--id like to see it too...as im sure many would...

Maybe we should all pitch in for a cheap as chips but functioning rifle for you to conduct the "will it or wont it" experiment...

[bladeracer]

Well Blade, if anyone here is likely to have a random or sacrificial barreled action laying around it would be you... ...so maybe you should be the nutty professor who does the experiment for all of us--id like to see it too...as im sure many would...

Maybe we should all pitch in for a cheap as chips but functioning rifle for you to conduct the "will it or wont it" experiment...

I'm not entirely against the idea, but I think I'd struggle to deliberately destroy any firearm.
The water idea is more for shotguns as they run very low pressures, about half the pressure of .22LR.

My previous dealer would've found me a rifle to experiment with as he got a lot of firearms handed in for destruction. I'll mention it to my current dealer and hopefully he'll give me a call someday with something I won't mind playing with. I am still on the lookout for a stuffed barrel I can section the chamber on for a display piece if anybody has something. Ideally something with a large enough chamber to be easy to examine, .30-06 or something like that would be ideal.

I have two barrels for my T1000 now, 20" and 28", and my preliminary testing doesn't really show the 28" to be markedly superior, so I probably won't need both of them once I finish testing. But I saw Paul Harrell did some testing with a shotgun with the last couple inches of muzzle stretched out into an oval, and the results were really good, basically a pattern a little shorter in height but significantly greater in width.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhTrfe3P4v8

[RoginaJack]

Just use a condom or the finger of a rubber washing up glove and, YES, they come in different colours. I prefer midnight black...

[Oldbloke]

it is a concern and only needs a bubble to happen
the biggest concern to think about is how much water went in
its no different than over oiling and not patching the oil out will cause erratic groups as well as barrel bulge or safety concerns
in a shot gun you can blow the barrel
https://www.wideopenspaces.com/know-can ... ter-video/

I have watched a demonstration by belgian armourers who put fn scars in wheelie bins of water took them out gave them a shake and fired them
but that does not mean I will soak my rifle in water then shoot it

the tape idea is for litter that will stop obstructions but would work for a bit of rain


forgot to add goodonya Stix

Maksman is correct. This is about a possible barrel bulg, NOT a breach blow up.

And agree with onewheel. A bit of tape will NOT effect accuracy. Ill repeat. the tape is long gone by the time bullet gets to the muzzle. Once the pressure in front of the bullet reaches about 10 psi the tape will burst leaving nothing
to touch the bullet. Deer hunters in Vic have been taping their barrels since cocky was an egg.

[brett1868]

And yet many guns will fire fine when fully submerged....

[Stix]

Hmmm...now there's a point...(not that id know, but im sure ive seen it on film somewhere...)

Have you\ tried it, or seen it done Brett...?

Maybe the sucess of this has got something to do with the pressure (lets call it atmospheric pressure) in the chamber, around the bullet, throughout the barrel & beyond, all being equal...

[SCJ429]

And yet many guns will fire fine when fully submerged....

There is some pretty good footage of an AK47 firing submerged in a swimming pool, the pressure wave precedes the bullet. The slo mo shows this clearly.

[brett1868]

Search "shooting underwater" on YouTube and there's huge amounts there, "SmarterEveryDay" has some good slow motion stuff. Would be interesting to see the difference full submersion compared to a half full barrel would behave. Given the low viscosity of water compared to oil I'd expect the shock wave in front of the projectile to force it out whereas oil would tend to stick. The other thought is why would the barrel which is reasonably hard deform and not the projectile, maybe they both do to an extent. Either way, I prefer to use condoms to protect the muzzle as they'll cover a brake and can be bought in most public toilets. Just be sure to use new ones...

[Apollo]

You are "different".....!!!!!

I'll just be careful going into public toilets....

[Wm.Traynor]

And yet many guns will fire fine when fully submerged....

There is some pretty good footage of an AK47 firing submerged in a swimming pool, the pressure wave precedes the bullet. The slo mo shows this clearly.

I cannot imagine firing a fully submerged rifle/etc. It goes against all the "full-bore-lore" that said, "Keep your cartridges and chamber dry". The reason was that wet ammo increases backthrust on locking lugs as well as changing the elevation of the point of impact.
However, I am more than willing to listen to opposing opinions

[brett1868]

You are "different".....!!!!!

I'll just be careful going into public toilets....

Yep and also "Special"