xDom wrote:[quote="bigfellascott"I'd also pick a light rifle if you intend doing a lot of walking (which you will be doing if you are hunting deer in Vic.
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SCJ429 wrote:I own a couple of Tikkas and the barrels on them are fantastic for a factory barrel. Howa don't come close, I would not own a Howa with a factory barrel. A friend has had two Howas and the quality is not good with chatter marks right up the barrel.
If the Tikka is too dear then get a second hand one. The 308 should last you for in excess of 4000 rounds so getting a lightly used one will still have plenty of life in it.
Bombus1 wrote:Hi all. Apologies if this has been asked a million times. I'm just getting back into shooting (haven't done anything in 20 years) and am looking to go pig hunting (I live in WA) and also Deer hunting (in Vic Highlands with my brother who lives over that way).
I've done a bit of research and am considering the Tikka T3x CTR S/S in .308. It is pretty exy though and over my $2k budget for a rifle (I've been quoted nearly $2,500 for this - but comes with spare mag and muzzle break).
I would certainly welcome some feedback on this given what I want to do, including:
1. Rifle Selection - given what i want to do with it per above. I see Howa's are comparable? How do they stack up?
2. Optics Selection - have been recommended the Bushnell Elite 4500 4-16x40. Are these decent? Any other brands/models i should consider
3. Good gun shop (price/service) in WA - will also consider Oz wide too and will share the love to whomever wants my business essentially.
As a lot of you on here are very experienced, I'd really appreciate your opinions and advice.
Thanks everyone and looking forward to getting back into the swing!!!
flutch wrote:SCJ429 wrote:I own a couple of Tikkas and the barrels on them are fantastic for a factory barrel. Howa don't come close, I would not own a Howa with a factory barrel. A friend has had two Howas and the quality is not good with chatter marks right up the barrel.
If the Tikka is too dear then get a second hand one. The 308 should last you for in excess of 4000 rounds so getting a lightly used one will still have plenty of life in it.
arent anecdotes fun, three howas in my family all are well sub moa, and not fussy on ammo like a hipster coffee critic like tikkas, also know a few ppl with more than useless tikkas, but hey all anecdotes, my honest opinion is howa and tikka are equal, just only one of them charges the correct price, the other is taking the piss.
SCJ429 wrote:xDom wrote:[quote="bigfellascott"I'd also pick a light rifle if you intend doing a lot of walking (which you will be doing if you are hunting deer in Vic.
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How much did they give you in trade for your varmint in 223?
flutch wrote:mickb wrote:
you wont fit a 308 loaded with 200gn projies into a tikka magazine... just saying... and tbh, if you really wanna use rounds that heavy just bite the bullet and buy a 300win or bigger. especially for a noob, using anything that heavy in a 308 is going to require some pretty serious knowledge of the rifles "dope" that which a noob isnt going to have a handle on. I still say go the 300 win, but then again i dont own anything in centerfire that shoots slower than 3100fps, takes all the guess work out of it.
mickb wrote:flutch wrote:mickb wrote:
you wont fit a 308 loaded with 200gn projies into a tikka magazine... just saying... and tbh, if you really wanna use rounds that heavy just bite the bullet and buy a 300win or bigger. especially for a noob, using anything that heavy in a 308 is going to require some pretty serious knowledge of the rifles "dope" that which a noob isnt going to have a handle on. I still say go the 300 win, but then again i dont own anything in centerfire that shoots slower than 3100fps, takes all the guess work out of it.
Mate the big bullets I refer are roundnoses. I admit I dont know what COAL the tikkas handle but you might find these bullets shorter than you realise. And it doesnt require pretty serious knowledge of the rifles 'D.O.P.E', (Btw I spent a few years in the middle east, when did we start calling shooting at animals back here 'engagements', are we hunting or at war with the animals? ) A 200 grain bullet will get 2450-2500fps+ out of the 308, 220 is 2400, that is a good velocity and plenty flat shooting for big game ranges, aka under 200 yards. Its no guesswork for noob or otherwise.
SCJ429 wrote:Are you saying you can get 3100 fps from a 200 grain bullet out of your Win Mag?
I am surprised that you think you could not hit anything with a 308 in WA. What sort of distances are you shooting at?
While the 308 is a bit vanilla, it is quite capable of making hits on game at 400 or 500 metres with a bit of practice. To be honest, I think you should be able to stalk a lot closer even in open country.
What do you use your 223 on if a 308 is incapable of making the shot?
SCJ429 wrote:I think that a 22LR is a great start for a new shooter, you learn about drop and wind drift. You cannot wind it up to 3100 fps.
You said you have to take long shots in WA where the 308 cannot get the job done. Surely the puny 223 cannot be effective over these long distances and you should have gone with a 220 Swift or the 22/250?
For a new shooter I would avoid shots beyond 300 metres, even if you get the elevation right the wind drift may make you miss. For the novice a 100 to 200 metre shot is achievable, with a 308 or 223 or a 30/30.
You should consider rechambering your 300 Win Mag, the capable 300s start with the RUM these days.
flutch wrote: 2400 fps is mortar speeds and to pretend that there isnt a FK tonne of bullet drop at that weight and velocity is pretty silly
as it is pertinent here in WA, a lot of terrain and areas people shoot its not uncommon to have to engage at greater distances
after all arent amongst valleys and mountains for the majority of our terrain. so to me there are many options way more effective than a 308 for shooting in WA, sure a 308 will suffice with compromises but then again, its a bit of a clitoris isnt it, yunno given that every C#nt has one.
mickb wrote:as it is pertinent here in WA, a lot of terrain and areas people shoot its not uncommon to have to engage at greater distances
Again with the 'engagement of game'. Are you declaring war on animals or do you mean marrying them Flutch?
No offence but all the sniper terms( d.o.p.e aka data on previous engagements) and never shooting anything 'under 3100fps', you sound pretty young or too much COD...
flutch wrote:you're a bored little one aren't you lol...
and yeah I could say I am annihilating them doesn't mean I am trying to be Arnold Schwarzenegger, you're a typical case of someone who doesn't like someone disagreeing so tries ever so hard to remain perched on their ever dwindling soap box...
grats I guess... lol. just a little box of cliches the "im from the army" cliche combined with 308 fanboi antics... predictable much? grats again I suppose... let me guess being from qld, the army and having a 308 makes you correct?
more like a laugh... what ya join the army for anyways? not capable of starting your own business? needed someone to tell you what to do every day?you sound pretty cliche or maybe too many RSL tall tales hangin out with uncle Robbo as a kid... lol
mickb wrote:flutch wrote:you're a bored little one aren't you lol...
Im bored? You quoted first Flutch, used comments on 308 big game bullets out of context for a knobpull on your pet calibre. Which was all good, I answered you factually.and yeah I could say I am annihilating them doesn't mean I am trying to be Arnold Schwarzenegger, you're a typical case of someone who doesn't like someone disagreeing so tries ever so hard to remain perched on their ever dwindling soap box...
You mean I met your claim with actual facts and figures, since you didn't seem to understand bullet drop at moderate velocities.grats I guess... lol. just a little box of cliches the "im from the army" cliche combined with 308 fanboi antics... predictable much? grats again I suppose... let me guess being from qld, the army and having a 308 makes you correct?
Well it was more the fact you didnt know what you were talking about, that did most of the work for me. I only mentioned the army to slow down the sniper terms you were using. "Engaging game and DOPE charts" for hunting, good heavens....
Not sure where you got I owned a 308 though....more like a laugh... what ya join the army for anyways? not capable of starting your own business? needed someone to tell you what to do every day?you sound pretty cliche or maybe too many RSL tall tales hangin out with uncle Robbo as a kid... lol
Well, I joined the army because it seemed like a good idea at 18. I got out about 10 years ago and went overseas contracting and then a miner. Not really interested in businesses no, I don't have the motivation or aptitude.
I still seem to be able to handle the odd internet youngster melting down though
flutch wrote:for the sake of the moderators I'm going to leave it there, Time for some pirated movies and bed. But I must thank you for the laughs... its been great fun.
flutch wrote:for the sake of the moderators I'm going to leave it there
flutch wrote:mickb wrote:flutch wrote:mickb wrote:
you wont fit a 308 loaded with 200gn projies into a tikka magazine... just saying... and tbh, if you really wanna use rounds that heavy just bite the bullet and buy a 300win or bigger. especially for a noob, using anything that heavy in a 308 is going to require some pretty serious knowledge of the rifles "dope" that which a noob isnt going to have a handle on. I still say go the 300 win, but then again i dont own anything in centerfire that shoots slower than 3100fps, takes all the guess work out of it.
Mate the big bullets I refer are roundnoses. I admit I dont know what COAL the tikkas handle but you might find these bullets shorter than you realise. And it doesnt require pretty serious knowledge of the rifles 'D.O.P.E', (Btw I spent a few years in the middle east, when did we start calling shooting at animals back here 'engagements', are we hunting or at war with the animals? ) A 200 grain bullet will get 2450-2500fps+ out of the 308, 220 is 2400, that is a good velocity and plenty flat shooting for big game ranges, aka under 200 yards. Its no guesswork for noob or otherwise.
2400 fps is mortar speeds, might aswell have a trebuchet, and to pretend that there isnt a FK tonne of bullet drop at that weight and velocity is pretty silly as it is pertinent here in WA, a lot of terrain and areas people shoot its not uncommon to have to engage at greater distances, we after all arent amongst valleys and mountains for the majority of our terrain. so to me there are many options way more effective than a 308 for shooting in WA, sure a 308 will suffice with compromises but then again, its a bit of a clitoris isnt it, yunno given that every C#nt has one.
SCJ429 wrote:The general consensus for the OP is that he could do worse than a Tikka CTR Chambered in 308.
Others may recommend a Howa chambered in 300 Win Mag.
Good luck with it and let us know what you end up with.