Who's venturing out for a hunt?

[Bruiser64]

The thing to remember is the restrictions on movement varies from state to state. WA has imposed a number of restrictions on travel. We are not permitted to travel outside our regions unless it is for one of the approved reasons. From midnight Sunday, no one will be able to come in or out of the state unless they fit into some pretty narrow criteria. We also have to practice social distancing and as far as I can tell, cant be in the company of more than one other person other than members of our household. At this stage, it isn’t against the rules to travel within your region here in WA. So Ziege going shooting within his region is does not not appear to be prohibited in WA. This may change. Our government’s strategy is to contain the virus by not importing it, and to prevent movement outside our regions.

[Ziege]

Precisely we have only had spikes in infections mostly to do with imported cases, very few are community cases the grand majority so far are from overseas travel, moron idiots off of cruise ships and dense pricks from out of state that rushed in during the border closure.

If we didn't have these issues we would have any covid19 in WA, as all our original cases were from that poxy cruise ship off Japan, if I know anyone that ever goes on a cruise after this I am disowning them, it was bad enough before with the giardia and other gastro like norovirus, this is just the last proof that cruises are for idiots.

[Bill]

SSAA NSW ADVOCACY - HUNTING TO REMAIN AN ESSENTIAL ACTIVITY

SSAA NSW has been working with authorities to clarify the situation with regard to hunting in NSW.

We have been advised that the NSW Government will allow hunting to remain an essential activity, as long as social distancing measures are followed.

It is also important to note that if hunting is your regular activity, it is advised to limit travel as much as possible, to reduce the spread of COVID-19 across the State.

SSAA NSW is proud to advocate for all our members and law-abiding firearm owners in this space. We also thank those who have worked on this issue, including our Branches, Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party and many others.

Thank you to the NSW Government for allowing this important activity to continue.

We will provide more details as they come to hand, including any information on travel restrictions.

Please follow Governments rules in relation to social distancing and gatherings. The situation is fluid so please monitor any Government update.

Thank you,

Lance Miller
President – SSAA NSW

Jai Rowell
CEO – SSAA NSW

[TassieTiger]

Quote/ It's a bit dumb as fk that people are spitting it cos I said I will go get some game on my own place..... AKA - staying home.......

All whilst listing SUPERMARKETS as a safer alternative, like wtf... Oh yeah righto.... More coolaid please[/quote]

It’s a bit dumb that your still not getting it. No one, was arguing Re you getting game if it was essential - how can you not get that?

Trying to get your post count up bill? Was already posted but good try...

[Farmerpete]

no offense Pete but Im going to do cattle work and repair/patch a substantial boundary fences, my mate who is a city born farmer has an obligation to have stock ear tagged, but due to a family member of his having stage 4 cancer he hasnt had time to fix fence since he had 4 calves get out last year. With a fairly busy country road less than 200m he needs a s**t load of help and has obligations. Everyone has high risk people in there life despite Covid 19 only killing around 0.5% in australia.

Some of you guys need to apply some perspective to the actually risk, we will all get the Virus in the next 2 years and Ill let you in on a secret, we arent likely to have a very good vaccine before 3-5 years but that a whole new topic

Was the trip to help planned before or after lockdown?
If someone on my property had stage 4 cancer the last thing I'd want is "help" at this time
4 calves in a whole year got out - my god it's a calamity I get more than that with good fences.

From the next paragraph I take you for one of the people who go around saying "only a couple a percent die I might as well get it now and move on with my life"
Tell me if I gave you 100 smarties and told you one would kill you how many would you eat?

[Ziege]

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[TassieTiger]

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[Bill]

trip has been planned for quite a while Farmerpete, as soon as the bull got off his cows we had planned to get there. His BIL has stage 4 cancer, permenant Chemo etc. Anyway looks like common sense has prevailed.

100 smarties aside Pete, mother nature is telling us we've overpopulated the planet, Im a realist and humans have pushed things too hard for too long. Anyway I can only reduces the risk under my control where as Peter Dutton as Border force Chief should be hung and quartered for his performance.

tassie tiger your the fella with verbal diarrhea

[matt4350]

Well yes, me, my kids, wench, parents and dogs have to eat, so it's definitely a necessity, as said before why the f*** would I walk into a supermarket full of potential disease ridden wares when I could pluck some meat out of the paddock and be done with it, with 0 risk of infection? Seriously

Ziege,

Re your reply to my first comment, I have been misunderstood.

I never said you were breaking the law by going out on your own property. I’m sure everyone would agree you are free to do as you please at home. My comments are directed at those who knowingly leave their homes without complying with the Home Confinement Direction. I can’t comment on the direction in WA, but in QLD a trip to your neighbour’s house to shoot a pest could potentially get you a $1334 fine.

The comment about the cab was facetious...

[Ziege]

Possibly, but with only 3 cops in town and those being asleep from 9pm till 7am and me and my neighbours being over 20km from town and the fact I don't have to Goto the neighbours house (5km away) to shoot at the back swamp reserve area between the two properties, even if I did Goto their property I wouldn't be encountering them or any other person so wouldn't be an issue, despite the fact 0 people would dob you in and police aren't going to give a s**t anyway, I'm sure probably different where properties are sub 2000 acre minimum, and more people living per area, but In my situation the last thing you will have is police aimlessly trying to work out where someone fires one or two shots on farm land when that's a daily occurrence anyway

[Peter988]

Looks like they are ramping up restrictions. States are tightening border controls even more. Victoria have now banned fishing and hunting. I suspect it’s just a matter of time before other States follow suit.

[wanneroo]

The thing is when this stuff happens, is government and the people themselves need to be grounded in common sense.

If you are not interacting with other people you are neither spreading the virus or getting it yourself.

If you are concerned about some accident happening and needing help, I can tell you from here in the USA, just got off the phone with my sister and she's telling me about how her neighbor got laid off from the hospital as an emergency room X ray tech and her friend as a nurse just got laid off because the local hospitals are dead. A lot of people are sitting at home watching tv and doing nothing and elective surgeries have been postponed. I've also seen several news articles talking about the same, hospitals laying off staff because there are few patients. If you are in a hot spot like New York City, then it's a different story but the USA is a big place, like Australia and a lot of places there isn't much going on.

The local police chief was just talking in our local news today there are few service calls or traffic stops so the local and state police are just going around checking doors at closed businesses and making sure everything stays secure.

[TassieTiger]

If you are not interacting with other people you are neither spreading the virus or getting it yourself.

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It was reported that some of the scientists that used the ruby princess (cruise ship) as an opportunity to undertake some quick diagnostics, tested surfaces a week after positive cases had left the cabins and had found live virus still living on some surfaces - if that was in fact true...then - you dont really know if the above is an accurate statement...

[Bruiser64]

Possibly, but with only 3 cops in town and those being asleep from 9pm till 7am and me and my neighbours being over 20km from town and the fact I don't have to Goto the neighbours house (5km away) to shoot at the back swamp reserve area between the two properties, even if I did Goto their property I wouldn't be encountering them or any other person so wouldn't be an issue, despite the fact 0 people would dob you in and police aren't going to give a s**t anyway, I'm sure probably different where properties are sub 2000 acre minimum, and more people living per area, but In my situation the last thing you will have is police aimlessly trying to work out where someone fires one or two shots on farm land when that's a daily occurrence anyway

In any event, here in WA there aren’t currently any stay at home orders. They are stay at home recommendations. As long as you dont cross one of the regional boundaries, you are not breaking any WA laws doing what you propose. Which is why the local police will be unconcerned.

If the Guardian can be trusted, here is an article comparing restrictions on a state and territory basis.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... two-person

The PM has on a few occasions indicated the National Cabinet has agreed what restrictions are to be rolled out. However this is done on a state by state basis. Each state decides what is appropriate to their circumstances. Victoria and NSW have higher populations. Victoria in particular would have a higher population density. So the strategies they need to impose, wouldn't be necessary in far western Queensland for example.

I would have thought each state and territory government would be acutely aware they need to be careful not to impose rules that the state populations would resist, as it would undermine what they are trying to achieve in respect of infection control. I don't think too many people in WA would be upset that our borders have been closed. As someone who lives in country WA, l am pretty happy with the regional travel restrictions as well. Our risks would come from people bringing infections to us. Which is why l am being 100% compliant with the mandatory isolation requirement I am subject to. In the unlikely event I am infected, I don’t want to spread it to anyone else.

[Blr243]

Hunting for some work is all I will b doing .......if only somebody would pay me 1000 bucks per night to hunt pigs on their crops 5 k from home .......nb....I promise not to fall asleep in a chair near the edge of the crop

[wanneroo]

If you are not interacting with other people you are neither spreading the virus or getting it yourself.

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It was reported that some of the scientists that used the ruby princess (cruise ship) as an opportunity to undertake some quick diagnostics, tested surfaces a week after positive cases had left the cabins and had found live virus still living on some surfaces - if that was in fact true...then - you dont really know if the above is an accurate statement...[/quote]

Well I asked an epidemiologist that has been doing medical research for almost 30 years about this. The answer is that just because they can extract the RNA from virus particles doesn't mean the virus is viable and able to infect. Most people are going to need significant quantities of virus particles that are viable in order to get it.

[solarpak]

Good point W - the epidemiologist is correct. Identification of organisms from viruses. bacteria up to humans is done using Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) and only requires one single strand of DNA which it amplifies (doubles) each cycle over 30 cycles of the reaction. I aint no expert on this but did do a final year unit project on this back in 1990 .

I would think that infectivity would require a significant quantity of virus like the epidemiologist suggested.
All we can do is wash our hands and limit contact only to family when needed. If our work requires that we need to cull or hunt animals i am ok with that. If your state allows hunting then thats their call and up to the individual as to what they do.

Stay safe all......
C

[Bill]

So people dont continue to spread BS

' Scientists discovered the virus is detectable for up to three hours in aerosols ( that means in the air ), up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. '

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 192755.htm

[TassieTiger]

I doubt they do anyway, but just in case anyone “might” take Bills BS as gospel...here is an article from The World Health Organisation advising of the conflicting advice re surfaces...
“is not certain how long the virus that causes COVID-19 survives on surfaces, but it seems to behave like other coronaviruses. Studies suggest that coronaviruses (including preliminary information on the COVID-19 virus) may persist on surfaces for a few hours or up to several days. This may vary under different conditions (e.g. type of surface, temperature or humidity of the environment).”

So there is no definitive answer as Bill suggests.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detai ... onaviruses

For someone who allegedly works in hospitals with surgeon relatives, you don’t seem overly informed with pertinent accuracy, eh Bill?

[poid]

Back on topic, the advice at the moment from DPI and cops (via SSAA) is that hunting and fishing are permitted activities, but only if they are available to you locally. They don't want people roaming the state and the cops will be patrolling backroads.

So for folk like me who live in the city tough luck (I've now cancelled my booking), but for you boys who are rural happy hunting!

EDIT: should of course say that's for NSW.

[Bill]

tassie tiger you've just rehashed what I wrote and put forward WHO as a reputable source of information

No offence but WHO are a conflicted mouth piece for the CCP

Mate stop putting you foot your mouth about something you have no knowledge off. I actually sell the 1 of the finest Bacterial/Viral filters used in the Hospital system today that filters down to 0.02 Microns. I was one of the first people in Australia to sell a Smoke/Bacterial/Viral filter for use in Operating theatres back in 1999. I still sell the same Filter today to the largest Hospitals in australia

When you burn human tissue inside the body, also sorts of particles are aerosoled inside the patient, previously these were just vented into the theatre air. I pushed and promoted a never used before Charcoal/Bacterial/Viral filter to catch containemants to protect the Surgeon, Anaethetist and theatre staff.

Some of the nasties things viable when aerosoled include Hep A, B, C, HIV and all strains of the Flu. Please refrain from trying to look like you understand everything.

[TassieTiger]

Sorry Bill. I thought you posted up definitive and steadfast numbers for the virus life on surfaces...my apolo...hang on...you did. So your calling me out for so called “understanding everything” but I wrote in support of WHO that it’s currently an “unknown”, that’s not fully understood (which is also supported by numerous other scientists - some of which are saying 7-17 days which would suck balls)... Surely, a man of your unique intelligence, with all the conjecture would see logic in not placing definitive numbers on this virus’s life?

You sell filters too? Holy craps mate, your a surgeons leading hand, a fencer, a pro shooter, a wholesaler for med supplies, a viral specialist, a cowboy - a nuclear physicist as well maybe ? In all seriousness, you might have included a bit too much info - a quick google shows your far from a handsome man

Lolz all round - don’t take me overly serious... Bring on the beer - it’s friday and most of us have survived. So

[Ferrisweil]

Fook me Tassie. You really have a bee in your bonnet about this. You seem intent on telling everyone else what to do. Why don’t you just give it a rest and let people make their own decisions without having a cry every time. You seem like a reasonably intelligent person based on your posts but honestly, if I wanted to listen to someone telling everyone what to do, I’ll go listen to my wife...

[TassieTiger]

Fook me Tassie. You really have a bee in your bonnet about this. You seem intent on telling everyone else what to do. Why don’t you just give it a rest and let people make their own decisions without having a cry every time. You seem like a reasonably intelligent person based on your posts but honestly, if I wanted to listen to someone telling everyone what to do, I’ll go listen to my wife...

Hey Ferris - where have I stayed anything other than what is being recommended?
Reason I have a bee in my bonnet is the clear and unbelievable lack of absolute common sense from so called “vetted” ppl...It baffles me...
I’m sure your wife is a very lucky lady

[Sergeant Hartman]

Hang on isn't every wife like that. Jk

[marksman]

So people dont continue to spread BS

' Scientists discovered the virus is detectable for up to three hours in aerosols ( that means in the air ), up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. '

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 192755.htm

depends on which way you hold your tongue and which way the wind is blowing as to what the truth is about what scientists actually really know Bill

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/cdc-cor ... -left.html

what we do know for fact is there are a lot of scientists with theories
but wait it will change, probably daily

[AZZA'S HJ47]

It was extremly quiet not a sole on the road the odd car here and there. Pulled my lunch from out of the cooler and headed home spoke to nobody except for me myself and I.

[Bill]

[marksman]

if you were in Victoria Bill that would not be a joke

l think l read over 120 fines issued yesterday
it will make people pull up though and do what they are supposed to be doing

[Blr243]

Think of how many hundreds of thousands of dollars it costs to have police running around issuing fines to irresponsible gatherings in the city If we all behaved , That’s money that could be used to help people already sick