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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by Communism_Is_Cancer » 11 Jul 2021, 6:07 pm

What is the rule bigpete? And is it a rule or law?
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigpete » 11 Jul 2021, 6:14 pm

Considering if you don't abide by it you can't have your rifle,I'd say its law
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by Communism_Is_Cancer » 11 Jul 2021, 6:37 pm

Can you please explain what the process actually is?
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigpete » 11 Jul 2021, 6:44 pm

You need to write a letter to them explaining what this new rifle can do that none of your other rifles can
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigrich » 11 Jul 2021, 6:54 pm

bigpete wrote:You need to write a letter to them explaining what this new rifle can do that none of your other rifles can


i guess that's south oz's interpretation of "genuine need" :roll:
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by LawrenceA » 11 Jul 2021, 6:58 pm

Actually found no magnification best.
First pig rifle was a 223 with a 3-10. Didn't like it.
Got a 30-30 with a 2-7.
Better but no good in thick stuff.
Lastly 45-70 with Red Dot. Mwah ha ha!!!
Seems to work OK

Is an understatement
One well placed shot is all it takes.
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigrich » 11 Jul 2021, 7:05 pm

LawrenceA wrote:Actually found no magnification best.
First pig rifle was a 223 with a 3-10. Didn't like it.
Got a 30-30 with a 2-7.
Better but no good in thick stuff.
Lastly 45-70 with Red Dot. Mwah ha ha!!!
Seems to work OK

Is an understatement


i like a 1.5-5x20 vx3 myself . can't seem to get my focus with red dots :thumbsup:
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by Communism_Is_Cancer » 11 Jul 2021, 7:46 pm

bigrich wrote:
i guess that's south oz's interpretation of "genuine need" :roll:


Thats why I thought it might be a rule or regulation rather than a law.

Lever actions are required to participate in western/single action style matches to facilitate in the appearance and theme of the old west. Different calibers are required to partake in different aspects of the theme as the style and cartridge of the firearm changed over time from the advent of Winchesters 44-40 in 1873 to the 30-30 in 1895. I require various caliber rifles as a spare if parts are required to fix one of my rifles during a stage. :welcome: :allegedly:
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigrich » 11 Jul 2021, 7:49 pm

Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:
bigrich wrote:
i guess that's south oz's interpretation of "genuine need" :roll:


Thats why I thought it might be a rule or regulation rather than a law.

Lever actions are required to participate in western/single action style matches to facilitate in the appearance and theme of the old west. Different calibers are required to partake in different aspects of the theme as the style and cartridge of the firearm changed over time from the advent of Winchesters 44-40 in 1873 to the 30-30 in 1895. I require various caliber rifles as a spare if parts are required to fix one of my rifles during a stage. :welcome: :allegedly:


yeah well , it's up to big pete if he wants to go through that . as you know CIC , in QLD up to 30 is acceptable :thumbsup:
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by Communism_Is_Cancer » 11 Jul 2021, 8:07 pm

bigrich wrote:
yeah well , it's up to big pete if he wants to go through that . as you know CIC , in QLD up to 30 is acceptable :thumbsup:


Yes. I know I complain about how bad it is but Queensland(and NT) are the best of the bad.

Its actually unlimited as no number is mentioned in the legislation. The 30 relates to storage. If you have more than 30 A,B,C,D OR 30 H firearms part 21 of the weapons regulation does not apply and you have to follow part 20.

So because it says “or”(see above in bold) you can have 30 A,B,C,D and 30 H firearms for a total of 60 without having to having to follow part 21.
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigpete » 11 Jul 2021, 8:09 pm

bigrich wrote:
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:
bigrich wrote:
i guess that's south oz's interpretation of "genuine need" :roll:


Thats why I thought it might be a rule or regulation rather than a law.

Lever actions are required to participate in western/single action style matches to facilitate in the appearance and theme of the old west. Different calibers are required to partake in different aspects of the theme as the style and cartridge of the firearm changed over time from the advent of Winchesters 44-40 in 1873 to the 30-30 in 1895. I require various caliber rifles as a spare if parts are required to fix one of my rifles during a stage. :welcome: :allegedly:


yeah well , it's up to big pete if he wants to go through that . as you know CIC , in QLD up to 30 is acceptable :thumbsup:


If he'd bothered to read my comments properly,I dont even want a lever action lol. And I've already had enough issues trying to register a 303 when I've got a 358w, 35 whelen,308,etc.
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by Communism_Is_Cancer » 11 Jul 2021, 8:10 pm

bigpete wrote:
If he'd bothered to read my comments properly,I dont even want a lever action lol. And I've already had enough issues trying to register a 303 when I've got a 358w, 35 whelen,308,etc.


Sorry mate. I was confused. :drinks:
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by Blr243 » 11 Jul 2021, 8:12 pm

Despite me trying to be responsible with no more rifle purchases because I think I need a new Ute soon, tomorrow morning , if they are in stock I’m going to put a deposit on a new browning Maral Nordic in 308..so big rich, I think a new 4570 for yourself , just sort of must happen
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigrich » 11 Jul 2021, 8:15 pm

bigpete wrote:
bigrich wrote:
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:
bigrich wrote:
i guess that's south oz's interpretation of "genuine need" :roll:


Thats why I thought it might be a rule or regulation rather than a law.

Lever actions are required to participate in western/single action style matches to facilitate in the appearance and theme of the old west. Different calibers are required to partake in different aspects of the theme as the style and cartridge of the firearm changed over time from the advent of Winchesters 44-40 in 1873 to the 30-30 in 1895. I require various caliber rifles as a spare if parts are required to fix one of my rifles during a stage. :welcome: :allegedly:


yeah well , it's up to big pete if he wants to go through that . as you know CIC , in QLD up to 30 is acceptable :thumbsup:


If he'd bothered to read my comments properly,I dont even want a lever action lol. And I've already had enough issues trying to register a 303 when I've got a 358w, 35 whelen,308,etc.


i understand your situation pete , but don't want a lever :o where's your inner "john wayne" :lol: i know what lever guns are , and their short comings . but i can't stop going back to them :lol: i got the bug again after blazing away with my winchester 94-22 in 22lr . good cheap fun , and old baked beans cans were really scared :lol:
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigrich » 11 Jul 2021, 8:19 pm

Blr243 wrote:Despite me trying to be responsible with no more rifle purchases because I think I need a new Ute soon, tomorrow morning , if they are in stock I’m going to put a deposit on a new browning Maral Nordic in 308..so big rich, I think a new 4570 for yourself , just sort of must happen


your funny mate . i've heard of "just because" BLR, but that's next level :lol: :drinks: :thumbsup:
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigrich » 11 Jul 2021, 8:22 pm

Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:
bigrich wrote:
yeah well , it's up to big pete if he wants to go through that . as you know CIC , in QLD up to 30 is acceptable :thumbsup:


Yes. I know I complain about how bad it is but Queensland(and NT) are the best of the bad.

Its actually unlimited as no number is mentioned in the legislation. The 30 relates to storage. If you have more than 30 A,B,C,D OR 30 H firearms part 21 of the weapons regulation does not apply and you have to follow part 20.

So because it says “or”(see above in bold) you can have 30 A,B,C,D and 30 H firearms for a total of 60 without having to having to follow part 21.


holly crap :o why oh why did you have to tell me THAT ! oh my credit card is crying and my bank manager is going to add a new wing to his mansion :roll:

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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigrich » 11 Jul 2021, 8:26 pm

is there anyone on here that thinks a 44 mag is adequate for pigs as a scrub gun ? or am i condemed to getting a 45-70 :P
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by Communism_Is_Cancer » 11 Jul 2021, 8:35 pm

bigrich wrote:holly crap :o why oh why did you have to tell me THAT ! oh my credit card is crying and my bank manager is going to add a new wing to his mansion :roll:

:lol: :lol: :drinks: :thumbsup:


It only costs around 10 to 15 grand to build a nice gun room mate. It will be worth the investment.
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by Communism_Is_Cancer » 11 Jul 2021, 8:36 pm

bigrich wrote:is there anyone on here that thinks a 44 mag is adequate for pigs as a scrub gun ? or am i condemed to getting a 45-70 :P


My boss uses his 44mag on pigs and he is happy with it. The 44mag can do the job the 45-70 just does it better.
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigpete » 11 Jul 2021, 9:11 pm

If he'd bothered to read my comments properly,I dont even want a lever action lol. And I've already had enough issues trying to register a 303 when I've got a 358w, 35 whelen,308,etc.[/quote]

i understand your situation pete , but don't want a lever :o where's your inner "john wayne" :lol: i know what lever guns are , and their short comings . but i can't stop going back to them :lol: i got the bug again after blazing away with my winchester 94-22 in 22lr . good cheap fun , and old baked beans cans were really scared :lol:[/quote]

I've had 3....I just prefer the practicality of a bolt action......I'm a hunter,not a cowboy :unknown:
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigpete » 11 Jul 2021, 9:14 pm

bigrich wrote:is there anyone on here that thinks a 44 mag is adequate for pigs as a scrub gun ? or am i condemed to getting a 45-70 :P


I think its MORE than adequate,especially if you run some nice Lee 310gn pills ...
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by boingk » 11 Jul 2021, 10:48 pm

Nothign wrong with 44 Mag mate. Cleavers do a rather nice tacticool looking thing from Rossi / Citadel called the 'LevTac 92', an 1892 model style lever action with 16" barrel (site says 18" but they're wrong), threaded barrel, apeture sights, big loop lever and mlok forend. Darn nice thing, I got mine in 44 Mag but they also offer 357 and 454 Casull.

I do enjoy my 45-70, the 1895GBL is a bloody brilliant thing. Smart looking laminated stock so won't warp in hot or humid conditions, nice deep blueing, large lever but not overly so, and full-length 6 round tube mag with 18.5" barrel. I've got sub-MOA with mine using pretty much everything I've put in it - PPU, Federal and basic handloads using 405gn hardcast.

Here's the review that convinced me a needed one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePkg90XoUkw
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigrich » 14 Jul 2021, 10:13 pm

your a bad influence boingk :D . well fellas i did it . i upgraded. i've got a brand new 1895GBL in 45-70 on it's way :D :D :D

it's ozziereveiws fault too . he makes it look like so much fun :lol:
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigrich » 15 Jul 2021, 12:21 pm

So, anyone got any pig loads to share ?

I got 2207, 2206h , and 2208. And benchmark2. In powder. 300 or 350 grain ?
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by LawrenceA » 15 Jul 2021, 1:10 pm

For cast I use 2207. I run 37.5 grain and 52 grain depending if the bullet is green or red. Bullet weight 320 to 405.
Red goes faster.
Pigs cant see green ones coming. Camouflage!!
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by animalpest » 15 Jul 2021, 2:56 pm

The .44 mag is great on pigs up close . My personal favourite was the Ruger semi-auto but lost that one to the gun buy back.

A 240gr slug at moderate velocity sure beats a .243 when it comes to performance in the thick stuff. Quicker recovery means more hits than a 45/70

And with 11 shots you can give a mob of pigs hell.
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigrich » 15 Jul 2021, 3:41 pm

animalpest wrote:The .44 mag is great on pigs up close . My personal favourite was the Ruger semi-auto but lost that one to the gun buy back.

A 240gr slug at moderate velocity sure beats a .243 when it comes to performance in the thick stuff. Quicker recovery means more hits than a 45/70

And with 11 shots you can give a mob of pigs hell.


yeah i had considered "recovery" time and getting back on target . the 44mag is better in this regard , but my particular 44 is not that accurate. to try and stretch the distance over 50 yards i just don't have the confidence in it i'm afraid . i even considered getting a 30-30 for these reasons as well . 30-30 is a good thing and cheap to shoot and has more distance than the 44 , but the wide bore definately helps with "thump" and energy transfer . so the 45-70 has some of the best aspects of both 44 and 30 . if ya wanna stretch distance, the 45-70 are usually a lot more accurate than the 44 . at least this is my logic for it :D don't anyone mention 444, i had considered this too :D . so there ya have it , i consider the 45-70 very flexable with handloads , and a couple of hot loads with a 405gn in my pocket for insurance should "hog-zilla" turn up isn't a bad thing :thumbsup:

i can load a 45-70 down to 44 , but i can load a 44 up to 45-70 . i've come across some loads on yank forums, one of which is interesting . a 350 gn hard cast lead boolit with around 19.5gn of alliant 2400 . supposedly around 1150 fps but will penetrate a boar no worries . apparently ;)

yay! i got a new gun coming ....... :drinks: :drinks: :thumbsup:
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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigrich » 15 Jul 2021, 3:43 pm

LawrenceA wrote:For cast I use 2207. I run 37.5 grain and 52 grain depending if the bullet is green or red. Bullet weight 320 to 405.
Red goes faster.
Pigs cant see green ones coming. Camouflage!!
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See you hardly notice the bullets!


you've lost me with the red and green reference mate :huh:

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Re: 44 mag or 45-70

Post by bigpete » 15 Jul 2021, 6:33 pm

You should try triple ball loads in your 45-70
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