womble wrote:I don't think just the front bead will be legal for deer.
Plus buy a rifle
Plus buy a scope
Bunyip56 wrote:G'Day,
New to this forum. I'm intending to give deer hunting a try this year. I have a .58 calibre muzzleloader that fires a 450 to 500 grain projectile which would make it legal in the muzzleloading category in Victoria. Another option may be rifled .357 and .44 Magnum rounds fired in a 12 gauge chamber adapters. I have these adapters that I mostly bought as a hoot but I've found them surprisingly accurate fired in my single 12 gauge with just the front bead and groove on the breech. I don't know if inserting the rifled adapters in a shotgun would have the firearm then be legally considered as a rifle. I probably should just go out and buy a centrefire rifle in a suitable deer calibre but making use of what I already have appeals to me. I've no intention of heading into the bush with something that is either unsuitable or possibly illegal.
Cheers.
womble wrote:I don't think just the front bead will be legal for deer.
Plus buy a rifle
Plus buy a scope
Oldbloke wrote:Slugs in a 12g would perhaps be a better option with a sight.
mickb wrote:The barrel adaptors seem like a great concept but their lack of popularity speaks for itself, the fact is they often dont shoot as well as owners would hope. There are a lot of videos on youtube, particularly the yanks with owners testing them and when you look closely the guy is either not mentioning the range he is shooting at, or its measured in feet, or lastly he calls it a 'survival option' which basically means at least its better than throwing a rock, and is a way to make use of pistol ammo if its all you have left.
I have not seen one single video, and I watched a heap that showed an honest appraisal or usable groups at 50 yards. I was going to get some myself but after enough research I decided worst case if I was left only with a shotgun, I would probably be better off just running smoothbore slugs or buckshot.
mickb wrote:great post blade I know you are the sort of bloke to report accurately on what he owns. So about a 10 inch group at 50 yards but potentially some room for improvement if you applied sights and load development,. It gives an idea of what the owner of these things is looking at.
I would consider for dispatching animals up close they may have some use as you say. A 45 acp with a rifled adaptor inside a 24-28" shot barrel is well below subsonic and hits a lot harder than a 22.
bigpete wrote:mickb wrote:great post blade I know you are the sort of bloke to report accurately on what he owns. So about a 10 inch group at 50 yards but potentially some room for improvement if you applied sights and load development,. It gives an idea of what the owner of these things is looking at.
I would consider for dispatching animals up close they may have some use as you say. A 45 acp with a rifled adaptor inside a 24-28" shot barrel is well below subsonic and hits a lot harder than a 22.
Virtually all the slug loads I've fired through my shotguns have done far better than 10" at 50m, I even had one gun print repeatable 2-3" groups at 75m.
These barrel inserts are generally a bit of a joke. There is a couple of companies however that do make full length inserts chambered for calibres up to 45-70. Now that would actually be useful
mickb wrote:great post blade I know you are the sort of bloke to report accurately on what he owns. So about a 10 inch group at 50 yards but potentially some room for improvement if you applied sights and load development,. It gives an idea of what the owner of these things is looking at.
I would consider for dispatching animals up close they may have some use as you say. A 45 acp with a rifled adaptor inside a 24-28" shot barrel is well below subsonic and hits a lot harder than a 22.
Bunyip56 wrote:Thanks for the replies and feedback. I'll keep the rifled adapters for fun and buy a rifle with scope in a suitable deer calibre. 30/06 or .308? The 7mm/08 seems to get a fair amount of praise for sambar. Decisions!
Bunyip56 wrote:Thanks for the replies and feedback. I'll keep the rifled adapters for fun and buy a rifle with scope in a suitable deer calibre. 30/06 or .308? The 7mm/08 seems to get a fair amount of praise for sambar. Decisions!
Oldbloke wrote:I went through the process of some trajectory comparisons about 3 years ago.
The dark blue is 3006
The green 7x57.
Bullet weights and velocity are slightly different. BUT the differences out to 250 yards is SFA. Last column is 300 yards. Buy a 308 or 3006 or 270. Ammo is cheaper and more option in rifles. They are all popular for a reason.
P.S. 95% of sambar are shot under 150 yards.
Bunyip56 wrote:Another option may be rifled .357 and .44 Magnum rounds fired in a 12 gauge chamber adapters. I have these adapters that I mostly bought as a hoot but I've found them surprisingly accurate fired in my single 12 gauge with just the front bead and groove on the breech.
Border_Bloke wrote:I've seen acouple of reviews where people were getting around 8 inch groups at 25 yards with the Chiappa adaptors. You'd do better with rifled slugs. The Chiappa ones would really only be good to dispatch wounded animals quietly (as Blade said) or for something really close (and for this you'd probably do better with buckshot anyway).
Not really accurate enough to hunt with, and in Vic using a shotgun you are supposed to use 245gn slugs with sights. Not sure if the GMA would be ok with a 245gn 44mag bullet out of a shotgun or not.
You CAN get accurate adaptors like the Krieghoff rimfire adaptors, these are designed to be left fixed in the barrel and you can adjust where they hit using screws.
In NSW these don't have to be registered, but on an A/B licesne you'll need to you register them as a second barrel to buy pistol ammo for them (with the possible exception of 44mag or 357mag).
Border_Bloke wrote:I've seen acouple of reviews where people were getting around 8 inch groups at 25 yards with the Chiappa adaptors. You'd do better with rifled slugs. The Chiappa ones would really only be good to dispatch wounded animals quietly (as Blade said) or for something really close (and for this you'd probably do better with buckshot anyway).
Not really accurate enough to hunt with, and in Vic using a shotgun you are supposed to use 245gn slugs with sights. Not sure if the GMA would be ok with a 245gn 44mag bullet out of a shotgun or not.
You CAN get accurate adaptors like the Krieghoff rimfire adaptors, these are designed to be left fixed in the barrel and you can adjust where they hit using screws.
In NSW these don't have to be registered, but on an A/B licesne you'll need to you register them as a second barrel to buy pistol ammo for them (with the possible exception of 44mag or 357mag).
bigpete wrote:https://chaszel.com/product/45-70-shotgun-adapters/