What decided the gun dog breeds?

[Aster]

Got 'em. Here they are...

1sikxt's dogs:

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[Warrigul]

Rotties are too slow and not inclined to stick.

We have a rotty that comes to the deer park where we take our dogs, he's faster than either of our GSP's

Chronos

If a rottie outdoes your dogs you are doing something wrong, I have a lot of respect for GSPs and whether on the water or chasing roo onto a line of guns they have always gone hard all day long and don't need much telling. My dogs have always been whatever breed has come along at the time but a mate has always had pointers.

GSPs will exercise all day every day and keep coming back for more. Ten years ago I used to ride my bike and let the dogs run with me on concrete paths to harden their pads ready for the highlands, they used to immediately go and sit next to the gate whenever I turned up. He has a couple of new dogs now and his kids are teenagers who run so his dogs are always fit.

You have to run em hard and often, they love it. Most people who keep them solely as pets seem to overfeed and under work them.

[Chronos]

If a rottie outdoes your dogs you are doing something wrong, I have a lot of respect for GSPs and whether on the water or chasing roo onto a line of guns they have always gone hard all day long and don't need much telling. My dogs have always been whatever breed has come along at the time but a mate has always had pointers.

GSPs will exercise all day every day and keep coming back for more. Ten years ago I used to ride my bike and let the dogs run with me on concrete paths to harden their pads ready for the highlands, they used to immediately go and sit next to the gate whenever I turned up. He has a couple of new dogs now and his kids are teenagers who run so his dogs are always fit.

You have to run em hard and often, they love it. Most people who keep them solely as pets seem to overfeed and under work them.

If I wanted dogs to tear a**e around the bush crashing into things I'd take my mates whippets.

Over fed? No, under worked definitely. They're city dogs. In the yard all say dog park an hour every second day minimum usually the beach or river on the weekend. They sit around 29-30kg with the taller one a kilo more. You can see 2-3 ribs in summer but they get a bit more meat for dinner now it's colder.

GSP's aren't a Kelpie, they work hard but they are also happy lying on the lounge room floor sleeping. They are a hunters companion, sleeping inside and hunting when required.

I don't care how fast they are, there a scent dog, head up air scenting or head down tracking wounded game and a retriever in stubble or water. They are not a sight hound or a lugging dog.

Chronos

[Warrigul]

I don't care how fast they are, there a scent dog, head up air scenting or head down tracking wounded game and a retriever in stubble or water. They are not a sight hound or a lugging dog.

Chronos

I don't know how much you have actually hunted with dogs.

I have no idea what a lugging dog(I am assuming a pig dog? We don't have pigs down here) is but a GSP is excellent with small game and will flush, pull and pin wounded roo and drive game in addition to being a useful quail and duck dog. From what I have seen they are only limited to what their owners are capable of and Brians dogs have often hunted alongside whatever has been in the pack at the time(mainly beagles and hounds) I tend to end up with making do with whatever turns up on my doorstep, parts of litters than no one wants or strays even one that was just a pet but ended up a great hunter, I have never had my own GSP but have shot many roo(wallaby down here) in the bush over the top of his two.

Very intelligent and versatile is a GSP, here in TAS dogs that can do everything are highly valued and I haven't seen anything(barring going down rabbit holes) that a GSP can't do.

[Chronos]

I don't know how much you have actually hunted with dogs.

I have no idea what a lugging dog(I am assuming a pig dog? We don't have pigs down here) is but a GSP is excellent with small game and will flush, pull and pin wounded roo and drive game in addition to being a useful quail and duck dog. From what I have seen they are only limited to what their owners are capable of and Brians dogs have often hunted alongside whatever has been in the pack at the time(mainly beagles and hounds) I tend to end up with making do with whatever turns up on my doorstep, parts of litters than no one wants or strays even one that was just a pet but ended up a great hunter, I have never had my own GSP but have shot many roo(wallaby down here) in the bush over the top of his two.

Very intelligent and versatile is a GSP, here in TAS dogs that can do everything are highly valued and I haven't seen anything(barring going down rabbit holes) that a GSP can't do.

Just trying to stay in topic, the OP is asking about deer hunting dogs as per the regs for Victoria. Not driven roo culling.

Don't suppose it would have mattered what I posted, you'd have disagreed with it regardless

Chronos

[Warrigul]

Don't suppose it would have mattered what I posted, you'd have disagreed with it regardless

I only post what I know from experience, if it happens to disagree with what you read on the internet then that is life.

[mchughcb]

What, a Dachshund is an approved breed for deer hunting?

I always thought this breed was developed for ratting and mousing. There's no way I'd be taking a sausage dog in my Dolce Gabbana handbag deer hunting!

Fair go!

They were breed for badger hunting. I presented to management at Spring St to get them approved. The idea was that they and other smaller breeds weren't going to pose animal welfare issues lugging deer. Yes sausage dogs hunt sambar and fallow alright, and foxes and rabbits and hares and cats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57k-5sfBSzg

[mchughcb]

Where the dog found it. Where I shot it.

[mchughcb]

Where the dogs put it up and tracked it into my mate who was waiting.

[mchughcb]

This sambar hind was lost and then found by the dogs.

[mchughcb]

This fallow spiker and his mate were tracked by the dogs and then taken.

[mchughcb]

What, a Dachshund is an approved breed for deer hunting?

I always thought this breed was developed for ratting and mousing. There's no way I'd be taking a sausage dog in my Dolce Gabbana handbag deer hunting!

Fair go!

Rats? Yeah, they kill rats alright.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHRZk8E-N_0

[pomemax]

I used to have a scotish deer hound before all this regulation best deer dog out there
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Deerhound
on some time we used a few greyhounds

[mchughcb]

The original hounds that hunted from Werribee mansion where Scottish deer hounds.

[p3seven]

Uncle had pig dogs to protect his Sugarcane fields. Selection criteria was easy. They had to hate pigs and had to run faster than pigs. Anything else was sent to doggie heaven. Brutal but efficient. He ended up with a type suitable for his needs.
Needs must, in different hunting situations led to the development of hunting breeds as different as the Dashaund and the Wolfhound.
The prescription of certain breeds for use in hunting specific animals seems non productive to the development of good tytpes of hunting dogs.

[Bosbefok]

Hi guys,

I'm not looking to do deer hunting with hounds, but was killing some time reading about hunting stuff and found the breeds of dogs your allowed to stalk deer with in Victoria.

It's short as... The list from DEPI website is...

• Border Terrier
• Fox Terrier (smooth)
• Fox Terrier (wire)
• German Hunting Terrier (Jagd Terrier)
• Jack Russell Terrier
• Finnish Spitz
• Norwegian Elkhound
• Dachshund

All pretty small dogs... Not everyone wants a yapper.

There must be heaps of dogs that are capable of this right? All the herding dogs?

Things like cattle dog, border collie, german shepherd, heelers... There must be like 100 dogs that could do it?

Sheep herding breeds (shepherd, border collie, heelers etc) are not ideal for hunting. They chase moving objects. They would take chase to try to round up an animal and if you do not have sufficient control you will lose your dog.

All dogs come from wolves. Through selective breeding we have our breeds today. A wolf has a routine that ends up in a kill. Track, stalk, chase, bite and kill.

Hunting breeds have generally had the "bite" and "kill" part of their modified stalking routine bred out of them. Breeders of the past have instead focused on the initial few steps in this routine i.e. a good GSP will track and have a modified stalk (point). But should not give chase and bite or kill.

Sheep herding breeds will stalk and chase but should not bite or kill sheep. etc. This generally makes them unsuitable for hunting. You may find exceptions to the rule in every breed.

[pomemax]

When i used to have dogs we had over many years
Norwegian Elk hound worst dog i ever had it was like a cat you would call him he would look at you like you talking to me then do his own thing .
It was like he was was thinking I don,t speak English
Some of the dogs we had English springer ,s deer hounds, Bull terriers, elk hounds jack Russell my daughter wanted a Dachshund it was the most aggressive dog we ever had it would have a go at anything and it was called Cecil I still laugh about him now never thought about taking him bush I could see him hunting well