One for the dog lovers and pig hunters

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One for the dog lovers and pig hunters

Post by scrolllock » 23 Jul 2014, 10:32 pm

Sorry for all the dog related posts on a shooting forum lately :lol:

Good read though for fellow dog enthusiasts and hunters.

Pig hunter says using dogs is ethical and humane

Pig hunter Ned Makim says the sport is not gladiatorial as many people may believe, and does not involve big, vicious dogs.

Commenting on reports of illegal hunters removing the ears from feral pigs to avoid capture in Namadgi National Park, Mr Makin said these stories were often trotted out, but he was yet to see evidence of it.

"It doesn't make any sense. If the pig has no ears the dog will grab the cheek. The dog just doesn't stop grabbing the pig, the dog will still grab the pig," Mr Makim said.

A spokesman for Australian Pig Doggers and Hunters Association, Mr Makim said thousands of people hunted with permission and co-operation of landholders and managers, and in NSW state forests declared for hunting through a restricted game hunting licence system.

He said correctly trained, two dogs should be able to bail up a pig and hold it while the hunter cut its throat or stabbed it through the heart, which brought about death as swiftly as it would if the animal was shot.

"The pigs don't need to be stirred up any more than necessary,'' he said. "Ideally the dog is holding them by the ear, which is a nice leathery thing a dog can get hold of and do the least potential for damage to the pig.''

Mr Makim says the stress felt by pigs was of the same level endured by all wild and domestic animals in an abattoir.

"Stress is part of the natural order of life,'' he said. "As individuals we all go through stress. The object of the exercise is to minimise that stress.

"We are not saying use of dogs is the solution for managing pigs in every circumstance. In thick country, or blackberry-ridden country, using dogs is the best option for locating the pigs and being able to kill them as quickly as possible."

Mr Makim 54, a contract gardener in summer and feral animal contractor in winter, has been breeding wolf hound and bull terrier breeds since 1986.

He aims for a dingo-sized dog with a big heart, rather than a big frame.

"That's the natural size for your average dog,'' he said. "If you look around the world, the standard size, left alone to breed by itself, jackals, coyotes, Asiatic wolves, dingoes, all end up around the same size."

He says a dog in a well-ordered pack is happier when it has something to do and when someone which it sees as a strong dog, is in charge. "You grow to love these dogs, they will work so hard for you,'' he said.

"We draw the line between a working pig dog and a problem dog, who looks like a dog who might catch a pig. It's a catch-all term that is used to describe any dog that looks scary or does the wrong thing.''

In the tense moment before killing a pig, the hunter could not afford to have an unstable dog.

"They have to bark at a pig, grab it and let go on demand when you say, that's what (type of dog) majority of legal, ethical hunters have,'' Mr Makim said.

"It is practical to have things as calm as possible if you are going to place a surgical cut into a pig. You want things as calm as possible, you can't do that if you have dogs that are mindless."


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Re: One for the dog lovers and pig hunters

Post by Korkt » 24 Jul 2014, 2:39 pm

"Commenting on reports of illegal hunters removing the ears from feral pigs to avoid capture in Namadgi National Park"

To escape capture by the pig ear / dog dental forensic unit that goes around cataloguing dogs teeth and matching them to pigs?

What nonsense.
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Re: One for the dog lovers and pig hunters

Post by beerd » 25 Jul 2014, 8:55 am

We draw the line between a working pig dog and a problem dog


If only the politicians could do this.

They got no pens in Canberra?
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Re: One for the dog lovers and pig hunters

Post by Bourt » 27 Jul 2014, 4:15 pm

Anyone with a dog which doesn't fit in your handbag is always going to have to put up with uninformed rubbish in the media and from wanna-be policy makers.

Always easy to play the 'dangerous dogs' card and get some readers for whatever dish rag some of these people write for.
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Post by AusC » 21 Aug 2014, 9:35 am

"He says a dog in a well-ordered pack is happier when it has something to do and when someone which it sees as a strong dog, is in charge."

Bingo.

And people wonder why dogs left alone in their back yards get frustrated and destroy things :roll:
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Re: One for the dog lovers and pig hunters

Post by Lorgar » 21 Aug 2014, 9:38 am

He aims for a dingo-sized dog with a big heart, rather than a big frame.


Hmmm.

Dingo's are a bit small IMO, I reckon 30kg is about perfect for a dog.

Strong enough to do everything, can take care of itself against larger animals in a scuffle, and still be physically manageable on the rare occasion it's required.

And doesn't need to eat a whole sheep every day :lol:
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Re: One for the dog lovers and pig hunters

Post by wrenchman » 22 Aug 2014, 12:45 am

The antis like to get the hound hunter and the stalker or standard hunter fighting, makes it easier to outlaw forms of hunting.
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Re: One for the dog lovers and pig hunters

Post by lole » 22 Aug 2014, 10:21 am

How much anti-hunting noise is there over there compared to anti-gun stuff wrenchman?

Is hunting fought much specifically or just guns in general?
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Re: One for the dog lovers and pig hunters

Post by wrenchman » 22 Aug 2014, 10:58 am

Gun control by far.

Hunting is a huge industry and brings in lots of tax threw the Pittman Roberts act, it tax's everything that has any thing to do with the outdoors.
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Re: One for the dog lovers and pig hunters

Post by lole » 22 Aug 2014, 3:31 pm

Thought as much.

No one here can have a gun "just because" so it's a lot more entwined with hunting as it's one of the only 2 genuine reasons we're allowed them.
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