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Re: .308 not enough for Sambar? Taking the piss right?

Post by mickb » 02 Jul 2019, 1:36 am

I'll say, thats 3500ftlbs- 300 win mag territory. And this " I prefer to use a heavier pill out of my pump Action because of shorter barrel to stabilise the bullet a bit more" :? I think he needs to relax a little and add some punctuation while he is at it
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Post by madang55 » 23 Jul 2019, 8:30 pm

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Jaykeragnarson wrote:I'll tell you right know I have a police patrol 7600 rem and a 700 in 308. recoil for its size great for a follow up shot and you can get 308 In 180g to move over the 3000fps second mark if anybody says that won't stop a sambar well maybe get your gun zeroed happy hunting be safe practice and be practical



What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?


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Post by flutch » 24 Jul 2019, 12:11 pm

tom604 wrote:yes rubbish, a 308 will take everything in Australia,,but everyone wants more gun



my experience only if you get a headshot, not EVERYTHING will drop from a 308 in australia...
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Post by flutch » 24 Jul 2019, 1:06 pm

bigpete wrote:
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Jaykeragnarson wrote:I'll tell you right know I have a police patrol 7600 rem and a 700 in 308. recoil for its size great for a follow up shot and you can get 308 In 180g to move over the 3000fps second mark if anybody says that won't stop a sambar well maybe get your gun zeroed happy hunting be safe practice and be practical



What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?


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what load I wonder especially with a short ass barrel is getting a 308 to push 180gn at 3000fps? cos thats close to 500fps over the best load data I can see and factory premium ammo... sure Id believe 2800 at a stretch, but nope not from a short barrel dont wanna call bs but im calling bs... i'd be guessing a 308 out of a short 20 or 22" barrel would be pushing around about the 2400 fps mark.... basing this on the fact that my 300win at 185gn lapua rounds with 67gn of 2209 only just pushes 3010 on the chrono. I dont believe for a minute that a 308 can even try and push a 180gn bullet within any safe guidelines anywhere near close to 3000fps.
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Post by Archie » 24 Jul 2019, 1:16 pm

20mm armour piercing the minimum suitable calibre for Sambar. Although given they are all kevar-lined magic ghosts, you'd be safer with 105mm white phosphorous and try for a headshot.
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Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jul 2019, 5:59 pm

"What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?"

Mr ADI says Max fps

308. 180gr. 2661
308. 200gr. 2441

3006. 180gr. 2798
3006. 200gr. 2577


30-30. 170gr. 2181

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Post by flutch » 24 Jul 2019, 7:30 pm

Oldbloke wrote:"What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?"

Mr ADI says Max fps

308. 180gr. 2661
308. 200gr. 2441

3006. 180gr. 2798
3006. 200gr. 2577


30-30. 170gr. 2181

SFA in it.



Yeah a far cry from 3000fps that was claimed above, especially from a short barrel 7600 series rem pump action. NAY he actually said "In 180g to move over the 3000fps" What the hell is in his brass? Semtex?
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Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jul 2019, 7:40 pm

flutch wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:"What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?"

Mr ADI says Max fps

308. 180gr. 2661
308. 200gr. 2441

3006. 180gr. 2798
3006. 200gr. 2577


30-30. 170gr. 2181

SFA in it.



Yeah a far cry from 3000fps that was claimed above, especially from a short barrel 7600 series rem pump action. NAY he actually said "In 180g to move over the 3000fps" What the hell is in his brass? Semtex?



Yep, and pretty sure ADI uses 26" barrels. Most companies do
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Post by duncan61 » 24 Jul 2019, 8:49 pm

Just checked myself and 130gn and lighter is the only load getting near 3000fps in the venerable 308.300 ultra mag just makes 3000fps on the hot side
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Post by duncan61 » 24 Jul 2019, 9:01 pm

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Even these bad boys are only doing 2800fps
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Post by TassieTiger » 24 Jul 2019, 9:18 pm

Hornady claim 300win x 180gn In super SST’s Getting 3150fps muzzle from 24 inch and retaining 2950fps @ 100 yards
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Post by Stix » 24 Jul 2019, 9:27 pm

Oldbloke wrote:
flutch wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:"What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?"

Mr ADI says Max fps

308. 180gr. 2661
308. 200gr. 2441

3006. 180gr. 2798
3006. 200gr. 2577


30-30. 170gr. 2181

SFA in it.



Yeah a far cry from 3000fps that was claimed above, especially from a short barrel 7600 series rem pump action. NAY he actually said "In 180g to move over the 3000fps" What the hell is in his brass? Semtex?



Yep, and pretty sure ADI uses 26" barrels. Most companies do


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Post by flutch » 24 Jul 2019, 11:10 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Hornady claim 300win x 180gn In super SST’s Getting 3150fps muzzle from 24 inch and retaining 2950fps @ 100 yards



oh yeah easy from a winmag, sheet can load with nearly twice the powder charge of a 308.... old mate reckons police 7600 308 @3000+fps when loaded with 180gn proj, as IF
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Post by TassieTiger » 25 Jul 2019, 1:45 am

Yeah, I don’t think ole mates 1st language was English at a guess and think he might have got caught up in in trying to make an impression with his 1st post - he hasn’t been back after a month so I reckon he’s pretty aware he slipped up.
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Post by Bill » 25 Jul 2019, 7:19 am

just get a 300 Blackout and sneak in real close :twisted:
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Post by Mark » 26 Jul 2019, 5:23 am

I read a article a few years back in Sporting Shooter, where a guy managed to bounce a 150gr projectile off a big boars shoulder ! So in that case, not enough gun . I also know a young fella who shoots Red deer with his 17hmr for the dogs @ there place near Kilcoy ! There is also a video on youtube of some dudes wounding goats & chasing them for miles ! I wouldn't recommend a 308 to anyone, but thats me. I would say make sure your competent to shoot sambar with a 308. No cartridge is a guaranteed kill, to presume otherwise is a recipe for disaster.When i taught my 2 daughters to shoot, it was always for the head. No wounding only a miss .
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Post by TassieTiger » 26 Jul 2019, 6:06 am

Mark wrote:I read a article a few years back in Sporting Shooter, where a guy managed to bounce a 150gr projectile off a big boars shoulder ! So in that case, not enough gun . I also know a young fella who shoots Red deer with his 17hmr for the dogs @ there place near Kilcoy ! There is also a video on youtube of some dudes wounding goats & chasing them for miles ! I wouldn't recommend a 308 to anyone, but thats me. I would say make sure your competent to shoot sambar with a 308. No cartridge is a guaranteed kill, to presume otherwise is a recipe for disaster.When i taught my 2 daughters to shoot, it was always for the head. No wounding only a miss .


Yet head shooting accounts for a large portion of painful wounds that don’t kill immediately or at all...the skull, jaw, teeth, etc can and will deflect all manner of projectiles, a very shallow angle and a 308 at some distance = a potential ricochet.
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Post by Mark » 26 Jul 2019, 8:23 am

The head shooting was for reference to the game my kids shoot. There proficiency with a fire arm is what i teach, i wasn't referring to head shooting deer.
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Post by Archie » 26 Jul 2019, 9:30 am

Bouncing a 150g off a boars shoulder (depending on angle) makes me wonder if its less to do with enough gun and more to do with the choice of bullet.
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Post by bigpete » 26 Jul 2019, 9:59 am

Head shooting doesn't wound hey....hmmmm.....seen plenty of critters get their mouth or nose shot off only to run away......I've even seen a 308 pass behind the eyes and in front of the brain of a roo out culling one night without killing it,granted,it dropped,but it wasn't dead.....
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Post by Mark » 26 Jul 2019, 10:15 am

bigpete wrote:Head shooting doesn't wound hey....hmmmm.....seen plenty of critters get their mouth or nose shot off only to run away......I've even seen a 308 pass behind the eyes and in front of the brain of a roo out culling one night without killing it,granted,it dropped,but it wasn't dead.....


Just to be clear... My girls shoot rabbits & pigeons !!!!! Proficiency was the word i was referring to ,
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Post by Mark » 26 Jul 2019, 10:21 am

Your a picky bunch. I was giving examples what can happen while hunting with any cartridge . Guess i'll be real careful next time i say something.
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Post by TassieTiger » 26 Jul 2019, 10:29 am

Mark wrote:Your a picky bunch. I was giving examples what can happen while hunting with any cartridge . Guess i'll be real careful next time i say something.


Not picky mate, just don’t have your xrydtsl ball. You said you teach daughters to head shoot so there’s no rounding only a miss...and then later said they only shoot rabbits, pigeons. So fair play.

I’ve seen rabbits lose ears, I’ve seen wallaby and roo lose jaws - no doubt very painful deaths maybe days later. But it’s hunting - it’s hardly ever perfect. FWIW, I teach my kids vital organs for bigger margin of error and potential less bone deflection - but even so, bullets can and will do strange bloody things at times...
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Post by Member-Deleted » 26 Jul 2019, 10:43 am

AHH don't take it the wrong way Mark mate we all get a little flack at times but all in good fun we all are grown up enough to know that Put a tool in a tools hand and you have problems so put a 308 in the hands of a capable shooter and he will handle any animal in Australia we all have different opinions and the way we teach our kids to shoot, sometimes on here some will say something that will take us back a bit but 99% is in good faith don't be deterred just give your honest opinion as you see it :thumbsup:
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Post by marksman » 26 Jul 2019, 12:10 pm

Mark wrote:Your a picky bunch. I was giving examples what can happen while hunting with any cartridge . Guess i'll be real careful next time i say something.


Fark no Mark, freedom of speech mate just say it :thumbsup: you have as much right to your views as anyone :drinks:
difference is though you dont give a fark if they dont head shoot, if the non head shooters dont want to do it that's fine
I teach my kids to head shoot as well, aim small shoot small :drinks:
they are taught ethical shooting IMHO so as to get a bang flop
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 26 Jul 2019, 2:04 pm

How did I miss this thread. Key me come to the defense of the rem pump action guy.. and explain

It's a Remington they luhnow how to build guns...say over tikka or ruger brigade... I find the Remington name gives 50fps over any other name.

The pump action is tacticool... tacticool gives 50fps.. and the unique action of the pumping gives another 100fps. Remember newton he said for every action there is an opposite reaction. So pumping will help the bullet fly faster in the opposite direction.

So that explains how you can get 200fps increase on a 2500fps 180gr bullet in a ruger. To get the rest...

Wearing tacticool gear helps a lot, jacket is 20, trousers are 20, boots are 20... if the boots are clean and have no mud then that's extra 50fps. Lastly half fiber gloves esp in camo is 50fps. (+160fps)

Internet forums automatically add another 20% to the speeds.. this is a known fact. No one can deny


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Post by Oldbloke » 26 Jul 2019, 2:13 pm

What will a GT stripe do? Another 100fps?
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 26 Jul 2019, 4:56 pm

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Post by tom604 » 26 Jul 2019, 8:53 pm

flutch wrote:
tom604 wrote:yes rubbish, a 308 will take everything in Australia,,but everyone wants more gun



my experience only if you get a headshot, not EVERYTHING will drop from a 308 in australia...


ha ha, a thread from the past :thumbsup: a 308 will kill everything and i mean everything,,that walks, crawls, hops, skips, swims or climbs in Australia, didn't say drop on the spot just said ,take, (nicer way of saying kill :lol: ) and i have heard of people killing just about everything with a 22 headshot (not sure how true the stories are :unknown: ) with that said, everyone has differing opinions on caliber/projectile size/powder/shot placement ect ect.

didn't know that tacticool gear gave such an increase in speed,may have to get some,,only have a camo shirt so a measly 15fps at best :wtf: :thumbsup:
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Post by mickb » 04 Aug 2019, 1:36 am

marksman wrote:
Mark wrote:Your a picky bunch. I was giving examples what can happen while hunting with any cartridge . Guess i'll be real careful next time i say something.


Fark no Mark, freedom of speech mate just say it :thumbsup: you have as much right to your views as anyone :drinks:
difference is though you dont give a fark if they dont head shoot, if the non head shooters dont want to do it that's fine
I teach my kids to head shoot as well, aim small shoot small :drinks:
they are taught ethical shooting IMHO so as to get a bang flop
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there are a lot of different scenarios where a head shot would not work but that's where you make a decision
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I often head shoot too mate. Its a funny world when humane meatgetting gets bad press alongside "bodyshot blasting for sport" isn't it . I feel its the fault of the american hunting magazines we all grow up reading. Their culture is based more around trophies and protecting the mount , so its 10,000 articles on magnums to the breadbasket per 1 article for head and neck shooting.
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