.308 not enough for Sambar? Taking the piss, right?

[Oldbloke]

just tell the nha Sayers that say the 308 is no good but say get a 30-06 to crono a 308 and a 30-06 factory rounds and watch the red faces

if they do it ........ as they are the same speed or very close as the 06 is loaded to lesser pressure .

Yep I have a 3006 and little difference except perhaps the larger 190 - 220g projectiles

[deye243]

just tell the nha Sayers that say the 308 is no good but say get a 30-06 to crono a 308 and a 30-06 factory rounds and watch the red faces

if they do it ........ as they are the same speed or very close as the 06 is loaded to lesser pressure .

Yep I have a 3006 and little difference except perhaps the larger 190 - 220g projectiles

yes I still can't believe that some actually believe their own dribble , it's like the debate

between the 222 and the 223 at practical distances there isn't that much of a case for

one or the other .

[Oldbloke]

Can't agree more. Splitting hairs.

[sandgroperbill]

There are advamtages to .308 over .30-06 and advantages of .30-06 over .308. Same can be said for numerous cartridges. .cartridge plays less of a role than bullet type and shot placement trumps it all.

.308 will kill pretty well everything in this country. Just put the bullet where it counts, not in the big toe.

[Wes]

Lots of differences on paper for forum jockeys to argue over forever

At the end of the day though, put a decent size bullet with a bit of gusto into some games chest and you've got yourself dinner

[Jaykeragnarson]

I'll tell you right know I have a police patrol 7600 rem and a 700 in 308. I've used them them on reds fallow and sambar especially sambar the best shoot placement is with plenty of practice my last sambar I hit NW +1" of his shoulder the beast dropped on its tracks I prefer to use a heavier pill out of my pump Action because of shorter barrel to stabilise the bullet a bit more once it hits the front shoulder they go though and expand I've never seen a deer live longer 10seconds when you do this if you need a second shot with a 30cal do more grouping work the bullet usually goes through should expands and frags in all the organs and retrieval of bullet is 80% a certain outcome even have done the same method out to 430yards with a 308. On 200kgs plus animal 308 is a light recoil for its size great for a follow up shot and you can get 308. In 180g to move over the 3000fps second mark if anybody says that won't stop a sambar well maybe get your gun zeroed happy hunting be safe practice and be practical

[cadet]

.308 will do it.
But there's good reason many choose to go bigger.

[Member-Deleted]

They used the 308 in the Northern Territory to commercially shoot buffalo for years so it is a quiet capable round but then again you shoot anything in the arse I doubt whether a bigger caliber would do the job either

[marksman]

the buffs were shot using ruger mk1 rifle in 308 shooting military fmj ammo with headshots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OneyeUxzL40

from the people I have spoken to that hunt sambar I have found that the 308 is a popular and successful round for sambar
where people go bigger is because they want the animal to drop on the spot with chest shots
there's nothing worse than having to go bush to try and locate your animal, I think most people would fail finding a downed animal in thick scrub
one guy I know uses a 12 gauge with slugs and can eat up to the hole as there is no bad bruising, but they are quick close chest shots
shot placement and projectile are what matters IMO

[mickb]

Buffs were shot with everything in the day. A lot were taken with 303's, bodyshots too. Also knew blokes shooting them with 223, head shots of course. I never found 12ga slugs a very emphatic killer myself, a 308 with decent softpoint drops things faster. Cant fault people who want to go bigger for whatever reason though.

OP, my reply to those guys would be saying, "So you cant use a 308 well enough to shoot the same size animals that swedish women use a 6.5 to harvest? okay then"

[TassieTiger]

I'll tell you right know I have a police patrol 7600 rem and a 700 in 308. recoil for its size great for a follow up shot and you can get 308 In 180g to move over the 3000fps second mark if anybody says that won't stop a sambar well maybe get your gun zeroed happy hunting be safe practice and be practical

What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?

[bigpete]

I'll tell you right know I have a police patrol 7600 rem and a 700 in 308. recoil for its size great for a follow up shot and you can get 308 In 180g to move over the 3000fps second mark if anybody says that won't stop a sambar well maybe get your gun zeroed happy hunting be safe practice and be practical

What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?

Kryptonite powered unobtanium projectiles

[mickb]

I'll say, thats 3500ftlbs- 300 win mag territory. And this " I prefer to use a heavier pill out of my pump Action because of shorter barrel to stabilise the bullet a bit more" I think he needs to relax a little and add some punctuation while he is at it

[madang55]

I'll tell you right know I have a police patrol 7600 rem and a 700 in 308. recoil for its size great for a follow up shot and you can get 308 In 180g to move over the 3000fps second mark if anybody says that won't stop a sambar well maybe get your gun zeroed happy hunting be safe practice and be practical

What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?

Kryptonite powered unobtanium projectiles

Depleted Uranium,
They just go in one side and rattle around.........

[flutch]

yes rubbish, a 308 will take everything in Australia,,but everyone wants more gun

my experience only if you get a headshot, not EVERYTHING will drop from a 308 in australia...

[flutch]

I'll tell you right know I have a police patrol 7600 rem and a 700 in 308. recoil for its size great for a follow up shot and you can get 308 In 180g to move over the 3000fps second mark if anybody says that won't stop a sambar well maybe get your gun zeroed happy hunting be safe practice and be practical

What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?

Kryptonite powered unobtanium projectiles

what load I wonder especially with a short ass barrel is getting a 308 to push 180gn at 3000fps? cos thats close to 500fps over the best load data I can see and factory premium ammo... sure Id believe 2800 at a stretch, but nope not from a short barrel dont wanna call bs but im calling bs... i'd be guessing a 308 out of a short 20 or 22" barrel would be pushing around about the 2400 fps mark.... basing this on the fact that my 300win at 185gn lapua rounds with 67gn of 2209 only just pushes 3010 on the chrono. I dont believe for a minute that a 308 can even try and push a 180gn bullet within any safe guidelines anywhere near close to 3000fps.

[Archie]

20mm armour piercing the minimum suitable calibre for Sambar. Although given they are all kevar-lined magic ghosts, you'd be safer with 105mm white phosphorous and try for a headshot.

[Oldbloke]

"What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?"

Mr ADI says Max fps

308. 180gr. 2661
308. 200gr. 2441

3006. 180gr. 2798
3006. 200gr. 2577


30-30. 170gr. 2181

SFA in it.

[flutch]

"What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?"

Mr ADI says Max fps

308. 180gr. 2661
308. 200gr. 2441

3006. 180gr. 2798
3006. 200gr. 2577


30-30. 170gr. 2181

SFA in it.

Yeah a far cry from 3000fps that was claimed above, especially from a short barrel 7600 series rem pump action. NAY he actually said "In 180g to move over the 3000fps" What the hell is in his brass? Semtex?

[Oldbloke]

"What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?"

Mr ADI says Max fps

308. 180gr. 2661
308. 200gr. 2441

3006. 180gr. 2798
3006. 200gr. 2577


30-30. 170gr. 2181

SFA in it.

Yeah a far cry from 3000fps that was claimed above, especially from a short barrel 7600 series rem pump action. NAY he actually said "In 180g to move over the 3000fps" What the hell is in his brass? Semtex?

Yep, and pretty sure ADI uses 26" barrels. Most companies do

[duncan61]

Just checked myself and 130gn and lighter is the only load getting near 3000fps in the venerable 308.300 ultra mag just makes 3000fps on the hot side

[duncan61]

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Even these bad boys are only doing 2800fps

[TassieTiger]

Hornady claim 300win x 180gn In super SST’s Getting 3150fps muzzle from 24 inch and retaining 2950fps @ 100 yards

[Stix]

"What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?"

Mr ADI says Max fps

308. 180gr. 2661
308. 200gr. 2441

3006. 180gr. 2798
3006. 200gr. 2577


30-30. 170gr. 2181

SFA in it.

Yeah a far cry from 3000fps that was claimed above, especially from a short barrel 7600 series rem pump action. NAY he actually said "In 180g to move over the 3000fps" What the hell is in his brass? Semtex?

Yep, and pretty sure ADI uses 26" barrels. Most companies do

A bottle of Nitrous in the butt stock piped into the chamber thtough the back of the bolt activated by a thumb operated pressure switch on the stock.

The 'Fast n Furious' of the gun world...

Cant wait for the movie...!!

[flutch]

Hornady claim 300win x 180gn In super SST’s Getting 3150fps muzzle from 24 inch and retaining 2950fps @ 100 yards

oh yeah easy from a winmag, sheet can load with nearly twice the powder charge of a 308.... old mate reckons police 7600 308 @3000+fps when loaded with 180gn proj, as IF

[TassieTiger]

Yeah, I don’t think ole mates 1st language was English at a guess and think he might have got caught up in in trying to make an impression with his 1st post - he hasn’t been back after a month so I reckon he’s pretty aware he slipped up.

[Bill]

just get a 300 Blackout and sneak in real close

[Mark]

I read a article a few years back in Sporting Shooter, where a guy managed to bounce a 150gr projectile off a big boars shoulder ! So in that case, not enough gun . I also know a young fella who shoots Red deer with his 17hmr for the dogs @ there place near Kilcoy ! There is also a video on youtube of some dudes wounding goats & chasing them for miles ! I wouldn't recommend a 308 to anyone, but thats me. I would say make sure your competent to shoot sambar with a 308. No cartridge is a guaranteed kill, to presume otherwise is a recipe for disaster.When i taught my 2 daughters to shoot, it was always for the head. No wounding only a miss .

[TassieTiger]

I read a article a few years back in Sporting Shooter, where a guy managed to bounce a 150gr projectile off a big boars shoulder ! So in that case, not enough gun . I also know a young fella who shoots Red deer with his 17hmr for the dogs @ there place near Kilcoy ! There is also a video on youtube of some dudes wounding goats & chasing them for miles ! I wouldn't recommend a 308 to anyone, but thats me. I would say make sure your competent to shoot sambar with a 308. No cartridge is a guaranteed kill, to presume otherwise is a recipe for disaster.When i taught my 2 daughters to shoot, it was always for the head. No wounding only a miss .

Yet head shooting accounts for a large portion of painful wounds that don’t kill immediately or at all...the skull, jaw, teeth, etc can and will deflect all manner of projectiles, a very shallow angle and a 308 at some distance = a potential ricochet.

[Mark]

The head shooting was for reference to the game my kids shoot. There proficiency with a fire arm is what i teach, i wasn't referring to head shooting deer.