.308 not enough for Sambar? Taking the piss, right?

[flutch]

"What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?"

Mr ADI says Max fps

308. 180gr. 2661
308. 200gr. 2441

3006. 180gr. 2798
3006. 200gr. 2577


30-30. 170gr. 2181

SFA in it.

Yeah a far cry from 3000fps that was claimed above, especially from a short barrel 7600 series rem pump action. NAY he actually said "In 180g to move over the 3000fps" What the hell is in his brass? Semtex?

[Oldbloke]

"What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?"

Mr ADI says Max fps

308. 180gr. 2661
308. 200gr. 2441

3006. 180gr. 2798
3006. 200gr. 2577


30-30. 170gr. 2181

SFA in it.

Yeah a far cry from 3000fps that was claimed above, especially from a short barrel 7600 series rem pump action. NAY he actually said "In 180g to move over the 3000fps" What the hell is in his brass? Semtex?

Yep, and pretty sure ADI uses 26" barrels. Most companies do

[duncan61]

Just checked myself and 130gn and lighter is the only load getting near 3000fps in the venerable 308.300 ultra mag just makes 3000fps on the hot side

[duncan61]

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Even these bad boys are only doing 2800fps

[TassieTiger]

Hornady claim 300win x 180gn In super SST’s Getting 3150fps muzzle from 24 inch and retaining 2950fps @ 100 yards

[Stix]

"What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?"

Mr ADI says Max fps

308. 180gr. 2661
308. 200gr. 2441

3006. 180gr. 2798
3006. 200gr. 2577


30-30. 170gr. 2181

SFA in it.

Yeah a far cry from 3000fps that was claimed above, especially from a short barrel 7600 series rem pump action. NAY he actually said "In 180g to move over the 3000fps" What the hell is in his brass? Semtex?

Yep, and pretty sure ADI uses 26" barrels. Most companies do

A bottle of Nitrous in the butt stock piped into the chamber thtough the back of the bolt activated by a thumb operated pressure switch on the stock.

The 'Fast n Furious' of the gun world...

Cant wait for the movie...!!

[flutch]

Hornady claim 300win x 180gn In super SST’s Getting 3150fps muzzle from 24 inch and retaining 2950fps @ 100 yards

oh yeah easy from a winmag, sheet can load with nearly twice the powder charge of a 308.... old mate reckons police 7600 308 @3000+fps when loaded with 180gn proj, as IF

[TassieTiger]

Yeah, I don’t think ole mates 1st language was English at a guess and think he might have got caught up in in trying to make an impression with his 1st post - he hasn’t been back after a month so I reckon he’s pretty aware he slipped up.

[Bill]

just get a 300 Blackout and sneak in real close

[Mark]

I read a article a few years back in Sporting Shooter, where a guy managed to bounce a 150gr projectile off a big boars shoulder ! So in that case, not enough gun . I also know a young fella who shoots Red deer with his 17hmr for the dogs @ there place near Kilcoy ! There is also a video on youtube of some dudes wounding goats & chasing them for miles ! I wouldn't recommend a 308 to anyone, but thats me. I would say make sure your competent to shoot sambar with a 308. No cartridge is a guaranteed kill, to presume otherwise is a recipe for disaster.When i taught my 2 daughters to shoot, it was always for the head. No wounding only a miss .

[TassieTiger]

I read a article a few years back in Sporting Shooter, where a guy managed to bounce a 150gr projectile off a big boars shoulder ! So in that case, not enough gun . I also know a young fella who shoots Red deer with his 17hmr for the dogs @ there place near Kilcoy ! There is also a video on youtube of some dudes wounding goats & chasing them for miles ! I wouldn't recommend a 308 to anyone, but thats me. I would say make sure your competent to shoot sambar with a 308. No cartridge is a guaranteed kill, to presume otherwise is a recipe for disaster.When i taught my 2 daughters to shoot, it was always for the head. No wounding only a miss .

Yet head shooting accounts for a large portion of painful wounds that don’t kill immediately or at all...the skull, jaw, teeth, etc can and will deflect all manner of projectiles, a very shallow angle and a 308 at some distance = a potential ricochet.

[Mark]

The head shooting was for reference to the game my kids shoot. There proficiency with a fire arm is what i teach, i wasn't referring to head shooting deer.

[Archie]

Bouncing a 150g off a boars shoulder (depending on angle) makes me wonder if its less to do with enough gun and more to do with the choice of bullet.

[bigpete]

Head shooting doesn't wound hey....hmmmm.....seen plenty of critters get their mouth or nose shot off only to run away......I've even seen a 308 pass behind the eyes and in front of the brain of a roo out culling one night without killing it,granted,it dropped,but it wasn't dead.....

[Mark]

Head shooting doesn't wound hey....hmmmm.....seen plenty of critters get their mouth or nose shot off only to run away......I've even seen a 308 pass behind the eyes and in front of the brain of a roo out culling one night without killing it,granted,it dropped,but it wasn't dead.....

Just to be clear... My girls shoot rabbits & pigeons !!!!! Proficiency was the word i was referring to ,

[Mark]

Your a picky bunch. I was giving examples what can happen while hunting with any cartridge . Guess i'll be real careful next time i say something.

[TassieTiger]

Your a picky bunch. I was giving examples what can happen while hunting with any cartridge . Guess i'll be real careful next time i say something.

Not picky mate, just don’t have your xrydtsl ball. You said you teach daughters to head shoot so there’s no rounding only a miss...and then later said they only shoot rabbits, pigeons. So fair play.

I’ve seen rabbits lose ears, I’ve seen wallaby and roo lose jaws - no doubt very painful deaths maybe days later. But it’s hunting - it’s hardly ever perfect. FWIW, I teach my kids vital organs for bigger margin of error and potential less bone deflection - but even so, bullets can and will do strange bloody things at times...

[Member-Deleted]

AHH don't take it the wrong way Mark mate we all get a little flack at times but all in good fun we all are grown up enough to know that Put a tool in a tools hand and you have problems so put a 308 in the hands of a capable shooter and he will handle any animal in Australia we all have different opinions and the way we teach our kids to shoot, sometimes on here some will say something that will take us back a bit but 99% is in good faith don't be deterred just give your honest opinion as you see it

[marksman]

Your a picky bunch. I was giving examples what can happen while hunting with any cartridge . Guess i'll be real careful next time i say something.

Fark no Mark, freedom of speech mate just say it you have as much right to your views as anyone
difference is though you dont give a fark if they dont head shoot, if the non head shooters dont want to do it that's fine
I teach my kids to head shoot as well, aim small shoot small
they are taught ethical shooting IMHO so as to get a bang flop
and this is why



we eat the whole animal, not much waste and no hole's in skins
if you cannot shoot a golf ball out to 250 from a solid rest you are not up to it
there are a lot of different scenarios where a head shot would not work but that's where you make a decision
do l feel lucky, well do you punk love dirty harry
each to there own

[Sergeant Hartman]

How did I miss this thread. Key me come to the defense of the rem pump action guy.. and explain

It's a Remington they luhnow how to build guns...say over tikka or ruger brigade... I find the Remington name gives 50fps over any other name.

The pump action is tacticool... tacticool gives 50fps.. and the unique action of the pumping gives another 100fps. Remember newton he said for every action there is an opposite reaction. So pumping will help the bullet fly faster in the opposite direction.

So that explains how you can get 200fps increase on a 2500fps 180gr bullet in a ruger. To get the rest...

Wearing tacticool gear helps a lot, jacket is 20, trousers are 20, boots are 20... if the boots are clean and have no mud then that's extra 50fps. Lastly half fiber gloves esp in camo is 50fps. (+160fps)

Internet forums automatically add another 20% to the speeds.. this is a known fact. No one can deny

[Oldbloke]

What will a GT stripe do? Another 100fps?

[Sergeant Hartman]

On the gun... your car or your undies... it's different

Hahaha

[tom604]

yes rubbish, a 308 will take everything in Australia,,but everyone wants more gun

my experience only if you get a headshot, not EVERYTHING will drop from a 308 in australia...

ha ha, a thread from the past a 308 will kill everything and i mean everything,,that walks, crawls, hops, skips, swims or climbs in Australia, didn't say drop on the spot just said ,take, (nicer way of saying kill ) and i have heard of people killing just about everything with a 22 headshot (not sure how true the stories are ) with that said, everyone has differing opinions on caliber/projectile size/powder/shot placement ect ect.

didn't know that tacticool gear gave such an increase in speed,may have to get some,,only have a camo shirt so a measly 15fps at best

[mickb]

Your a picky bunch. I was giving examples what can happen while hunting with any cartridge . Guess i'll be real careful next time i say something.

Fark no Mark, freedom of speech mate just say it you have as much right to your views as anyone
difference is though you dont give a fark if they dont head shoot, if the non head shooters dont want to do it that's fine
I teach my kids to head shoot as well, aim small shoot small
they are taught ethical shooting IMHO so as to get a bang flop
and this is why



we eat the whole animal, not much waste and no hole's in skins
if you cannot shoot a golf ball out to 250 from a solid rest you are not up to it
there are a lot of different scenarios where a head shot would not work but that's where you make a decision
do l feel lucky, well do you punk love dirty harry
each to there own

I often head shoot too mate. Its a funny world when humane meatgetting gets bad press alongside "bodyshot blasting for sport" isn't it . I feel its the fault of the american hunting magazines we all grow up reading. Their culture is based more around trophies and protecting the mount , so its 10,000 articles on magnums to the breadbasket per 1 article for head and neck shooting.

[mickb]

Yet head shooting accounts for a large portion of painful wounds that don’t kill immediately or at all...the skull, jaw, teeth, etc can and will deflect all manner of projectiles, a very shallow angle and a 308 at some distance = a potential ricochet.

Got any figures for that?

I think it would be small next to gutshots. Also the largest portion of wounding is probably shotguns and it would be impossible to measure. Until they find a way to individually direct pellets they will have shot hit incidental targets, broken legs,also animals that run or fly off likely carry wounds you will never know about. Next probably archery just because its more difficult to aim and predict range.

% wise I'd also put injuries to pigs and dogs mutually in pig hunting. QLD has the worlds highest wild pig population, about 25 mil , outnumbering humans 5:1. Both animals get an absolute hammering up here. No one likes to admit it but an owners financial situation may sometimes not meet the level to pay for the patch up jobs, so the dog gets 'home surgery' , guts poked back in and stiches and eventually a bullet if they dont pull through.

Its not my sport but I don't have a problem with any of it- headshoot, knife, arrows, tweeds and a $10,000 shotgun, you are always going to make something miserable at some point. Have at it.

[sungazer]

It is possible to shoot 185grn bullets from a 308 however I would not recommended it in a factory rifle. In a target rifle action which are much more heavy duty and in a 30 inch barrel it is possible to even go a bit further at the expense of case life. About 2900-2950 is the normal speed of this weight projectile shot in competition.

[Oldbloke]

It is possible to shoot 185grn bullets from a 308 however I would not recommended it in a factory rifle. In a target rifle action which are much more heavy duty and in a 30 inch barrel it is possible to even go a bit further at the expense of case life. About 2900-2950 is the normal speed of this weight projectile shot in competition.

Perhaps, but that is just a dream for a 22" sporter barrel.

[Oldbloke]

"What loading is being used to get a 180gn 308 to over 3000 FPS?"

Mr ADI says Max fps

308. 180gr. 2661
308. 200gr. 2441

3006. 180gr. 2798
3006. 200gr. 2577


30-30. 170gr. 2181

SFA in it.

And ill bet they are out of a 26" barrel

[TassieTiger]

Yet head shooting accounts for a large portion of painful wounds that don’t kill immediately or at all...the skull, jaw, teeth, etc can and will deflect all manner of projectiles, a very shallow angle and a 308 at some distance = a potential ricochet.

Got any figures for that?

I think it would be small next to gutshots. Also the largest portion of wounding is probably shotguns and it would be impossible to measure. Until they find a way to individually direct pellets they will have shot hit incidental targets, broken legs,also animals that run or fly off likely carry wounds you will never know about. Next probably archery just because its more difficult to aim and predict range.

% wise I'd also put injuries to pigs and dogs mutually in pig hunting. QLD has the worlds highest wild pig population, about 25 mil , outnumbering humans 5:1. Both animals get an absolute hammering up here. No one likes to admit it but an owners financial situation may sometimes not meet the level to pay for the patch up jobs, so the dog gets 'home surgery' , guts poked back in and stiches and eventually a bullet if they dont pull through.

Its not my sport but I don't have a problem with any of it- headshoot, knife, arrows, tweeds and a $10,000 shotgun, you are always going to make something miserable at some point. Have at it.

Got any figures got yours?
Are you asking for “factual”detail to a question and then answering it with “probables” and “maybes”? Lol.

But to answer yours, no I don’t -
From what I’ve read, spoken to better shooters than me, more experienced shooters than me, pro hunters - the science behind the head shot injury as I understand it, pertaining for large roo / deer at least, is the marginal potential for deflection from a hard surface they lies directly under the skin It was further explained to me rightly or wrongly that- bone density, as it’s pressured from impact, compresses such that with the unusually angled shapes of triangular skulls, a deflection is not uncommon. I’ve witnessed it a few times personally from lighter gauge centrefires, I’ve heard all manner of conversation about the harvested roo that had a broken jaw, ear, etc etc from a final chest shot.

I’d take a further punt that most gut shots don’t live on...

[mickb]

Got any figures got yours?
Are you asking for “factual”detail to a question and then answering it with “probables” and “maybes”? Lol.
But to answer yours, no I don’t -

I was asking for factual details yes, since you made the statement. And no I don't have any myself so we are both still in the dark

From what I’ve read, spoken to better shooters than me, more experienced shooters than me, pro hunters

I was a 'pro' hunter or volume culler at least, but I still stand in awe of guys who can swing a shotgun, hunt ultra-long range, fire an arrow, take great running shots. Head shooting I consider easier than all four, easier to teach, with less chance of wounding for the average guy. Thats probably my point , generally refuting what we read in gun rags every day, its not as hard as people make out.

- the science behind the head shot injury as I understand it, pertaining for large roo / deer at least, is the marginal potential for deflection from a hard surface they lies directly under the skin It was further explained to me rightly or wrongly that- bone density, as it’s pressured from impact, compresses such that with the unusually angled shapes of triangular skulls, a deflection is not uncommon. I’ve witnessed it a few times personally from lighter gauge centrefires, I’ve heard all manner of conversation about the harvested roo that had a broken jaw, ear, etc etc from a final chest shot.

I’d take a further punt that most gut shots don’t live on...

Agree about shallow head angles, no doubt. But its just part of the game.