Shot placement in the chest

[remnt]

Hi guys,

When hunting game and shot placement becomes important are you conscious of trying hard to hit the heart and lungs specifically? Or is a chest shot a chest shot and that will do.

I'm shooting a .308 btw as far as damage and wound channels will go.



Thanks all.

[North East]

On deer just behind the front leg about 2/3 of the way down the body.

[VICHunter]

The 'vitals' area on a deer is 6"- 8", surgical precision isn't required.

Get it in the area and the wound channel of a .308 will do the rest.

[Baronvonrort]

Sometimes i aim for the head,it all depends on what looks easier and what i want to do with it.

As NE said, just behind the front leg 2/3 of the way down does the job for most animals when looking at it side on

A good heart shot will also take out both lungs resulting in a very quick death,it can also be a bigger target compared to the part of the head that holds the brain.

[tom604]

speer 130gr hollow points, you can buy factory ammo, federal varmint/law something?,not sure of the name but has the 130gr pill,,hit a goat anywhere in the chest region and they stop,miss a bit and hit them in the gut, they stop, anywhere really and they just stop,living that is

federal premium law inforcement tactical ,,whats on the packet anyway

[Chronos]

download and print this target then go shoot

http://www.bergerbullets.com/download/hunting-targets/large-deer-hunting-target.pdf

if you can't hit the center 10/10 practice more or change your ammo :LOL:

Chronos

[remnt]

Great target.

Thanks Chronos.

[veep]

If it's cool to do so, mods could add that to the download shooting targets topic.

I'm sure lots would appreciate it, and it wouldn't get overlooked there.

[Hennie Dreyer]

The 'boiler room' is the easiest to go for, meaning that area where the heart and lungs are situated (It is quite a big area) - as long as you study the shot placement articles/pictures for the animal you intend hunting properly and practice a lot on it.

Head and neck shots - although absolutely effective when executed flawlessly - should only be attempted if you are seriously confident that you can make it....I have seen too many broken jaws or ill placed neck shots

[bigfellascott]

I like neck shots myself, seems to put stuff on the ground real quick.

[Westy]

I like neck shots myself, seems to put stuff on the ground real quick.

x2 Scott

it's like me and my best friend now he's old he can't hold his head up high with out a little blue pill

[mausermate]

download and print this target then go shoot

http://www.bergerbullets.com/download/hunting-targets/large-deer-hunting-target.pdf

if you can't hit the center 10/10 practice more or change your ammo :LOL:

Chronos

good target. can I also add, or get closer.....
there was a post on the forum about 1200 to 1500 meter hunting. Like to see them hit that target 10/10 at those ranges.

[Jack V]

The heart lung are is in different places for different game species and quite radically different in some. The 308 will do a fair bit of damage on the average Aussie game .

[inventurkey]

I like neck shots myself, seems to put stuff on the ground real quick.

There is some debate on that though as to whether it's lights out or just turns them into a quadriplegic.

I dunno, just asking?

[Aussier]

there was a post on the forum about 1200 to 1500 meter hunting. Like to see them hit that target 10/10 at those ranges.

99/100 of the 1,500m hunting topics that come up though are by people who've never been I reckon

I think the goats are safe

[bigfellascott]

I like neck shots myself, seems to put stuff on the ground real quick.

There is some debate on that though as to whether it's lights out or just turns them into a quadriplegic.

I dunno, just asking?

I can't speak for others results but mine for the most part have been very good, bang flops most of em. There's one way to find out if they work for you mate and that's to get out and start using it and see how it goes.

Cheers

[Korkt]

There is some debate on that though as to whether it's lights out or just turns them into a quadriplegic.

I dunno, just asking?

Sounds like over thinking it to me.

You've got a .308, not a pellet gun. .30cal pill through the top of the neck is lights out in my book.

[Baronvonrort]

With aerial culling the target is the heart/lungs, the NSW FAAST training and reference manual says heart/lung shots are preferred with headshots only in ideal situations.

It says neck shots and spinal shots are undesirable because they can result in a prolonged death, page 75 Part II.

If you get the heart and lungs they will never take another breath or another heartbeat, death is almost instant.

[bigfellascott]

With aerial culling the target is the heart/lungs, the NSW FAAST training and reference manual says heart/lung shots are preferred with headshots only in ideal situations.

It says neck shots and spinal shots are undesirable because they can result in a prolonged death, page 75 Part II.

If you get the heart and lungs they will never take another breath or another heartbeat, death is almost instant.

Considering 99.9% of us won't ever do aerial culling I think we can ignore that bit of advice!

I'll stick with what I know works best for me, mind you I do heart/lung type shots, head shots, neck shots, chest shots and all of em are effective when done right, just use whatever you feel comfortable doing and know works for you.

It ain't rocket science and you don't need a manual to work it out!

[Westy]

Not to many heart shots here!!!!!! Tell me what you think????


http://youtu.be/sx66ys4JG5o

Man I love this Clip

[bigfellascott]

Yep you'd be an awesome shot to do heat/lung shots with any consistency from a helicopter at small moving targets like pigs, those manuals always crack me up, great in theory, not so much in reality.

[Blackened]

If it's cool to do so, mods could add that to the download shooting targets topic.

I'm sure lots would appreciate it, and it wouldn't get overlooked there.

Done.

[Baronvonrort]

Considering 99.9% of us won't ever do aerial culling I think we can ignore that bit of advice!

I'll stick with what I know works best for me, mind you I do heart/lung type shots, head shots, neck shots, chest shots and all of em are effective when done right, just use whatever you feel comfortable doing and know works for you.

It ain't rocket science and you don't need a manual to work it out!

The Farmers assist manual from the SSAA only has head and heart shots, there are no manuals that say spine shots are ok, the antis whinge about spinal shots which take much longer to kill.

Old video of aerial culling in QLD, going by the pump action 223 i would say he is only Cat B, he should not have shot the pig in the water, i suppose you don't need a manual to say rotting carcasses left in the water are not a good thing, no chance of picking them up in a R22.

Under the new rules in QLD this guy could probably get Cat D.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82826103

[Jack V]

The shooter in that video is a good shot , got his lead worked out well. The pilot on the other hand was a bit of a cowboy .

[Oldbloke]

Old video of aerial culling in QLD, going by the pump action 223. I'm a little surprised. I have been under the impression that a 223 was under gunned for pigs?

Wonder what the load was?

I have 223 but never considered using it on pigs. In the past I have always used much bigger stuff.

[Jack V]

I'm not so sure it is a 223 , Seems to a have a bit of recoil and the dust cloud it throws up seems more than a 223 usually does , more like a 243 dose . Hard to tell really but it seems to have more knock down than any 223 I ever used . Maybe it's the good shooting doing the job .

[Westy]

R U Guys on Drugs???? Obviously you have never handled a Semi Auto in your lives he's walking it in in a few of those shots????? If you watch the last boar he gets a clean threw and threw twice???? The level of dribble here amazes me sometimes!! I shoot pigs regularly with a 223 -70Grn speer 24grns of 2208H and a CCI primer and no one gets out alive!!!!! Yep even the big boys and shot placement is critical!!!!!!! My moneys on a 30 Cal and I'm guessing 300AAC by the length of the cases Where did you ever get the idea it was a remmington, didn't see a warranty card on the chopper floor did anyone else????

[Oldbloke]

Thats why I asked the question. 223 seemed a bit of a stretch.

[Baronvonrort]

Thats why I asked the question. 223 seemed a bit of a stretch.

The video Westy posted and the one i posted both are using .223 rem.

The range would be less than 150 yards, the pigs appear to be bigger in the Aussie video which meant some had to be double tapped and i think there was one near the end which was shot multiple times before it fell, a little cloud appeared just above the shoulder on a couple of shots so perhaps the projectile wasn't suitable,that said a .223 works well on smaller-medium sized pigs at closer ranges.

The shorter barrel on the AR15 clone probably loses some velocity compared to the pump action remington which might not help.

The R22/R44 helicopters are not allowed to be used for government aerial culling in Australia due to their piston engines, the rules state a turbine engine must be used so the R66 would be ok.
We must also use 7.62 and double tap everything, typical of the government to take something that could be cheap and make it more expensive due to excessive regulations.

I prefer to use a .243 for pigs, a GAP-10 chambered in .243 would be great, a friend in the USA has a GAP-10 in .308 it shoots 0.25 MOA with a 20 inch barrel.

[Lorgar]

I prefer to use a .243 for pigs

.243 with 95gr bullets.

One of my fav rounds.