headspace wrote:Sorry Scott, it's still not hunting. In one of those video's the d**khead shot an animal in the gut! I think that proves my point. And why wear all the camo? The animals can't see anyone at that distance, you could turn up as Crusty the bloody clown! Then the idiot gets up and high fives himself. I think he's watched too many re runs of American Sniper, which was a good movie by the way.
JD
headspace wrote:Nathan Foster is the real deal Scott, and he does a few long range shots in the course of his business, but I doubt that even he would attempt a 1,000m shot on an animal.
headspace wrote:Yes, you have to acknowledge the skill involved, but to me it's just not real hunting. They never show any shots where they blew the arse off the poor bloody animal though. I just think that even with all the skills they have being credited, it's still bulls**t hunting, sorry target shooting. And Scott, like you I'm happy to pull off a good shot at 250-300m or closer if I can get in quietly. By the way think of the money you save, no big heavy kicking mega magnums, expensive optics too especially range finders you'd have to sell your kids to buy. Of course there's also the big US truck you must have to lug all that crap around.
I just like bush walking with my rifle.
JD
brett1868 wrote:I'd love to have a crack at some 1000+ meter game but need a bit more practise yet and source some .416 hollow points
Oldbloke wrote:Gut shooting animals at 1380 yrds is not my idea of, ethical or success. If you cant get within a sensible range, pass up the shot. I do it all the time. That range is looking for a poor out come.
bigfellascott wrote:brett1868 wrote:I'd love to have a crack at some 1000+ meter game but need a bit more practise yet and source some .416 hollow points
Well you've got the gear to have a crack alright, just need to get the skills to a level that you are confident of pulling of a good kill with. Some of those shots on those vids were amazing.
brett1868 wrote:bigfellascott wrote:brett1868 wrote:I'd love to have a crack at some 1000+ meter game but need a bit more practise yet and source some .416 hollow points
Well you've got the gear to have a crack alright, just need to get the skills to a level that you are confident of pulling of a good kill with. Some of those shots on those vids were amazing.
Last trip I managed a 5 shot 5" group at 1000m in perfect conditions with the .416 so the skill level is getting there albeit slowly. Still working on load development and getting more consistent velocities before I get serious at 2000m. I've said it before that at these ranges the loads have to be +/- 5 fps from what they punch in the ballistics comp or they'll miss. In this situation I think the bulk of the credit must go to whoever loaded the rounds cause the elevation looks spot on, just the wind estimation needs a little improvement. They appear to be using the "Lex Talus Field Firing Solutions" app on the WinCE PDA, I've been using this app for a while and it's not the most intuitive or easy to setup but it's military grade and proven in several theatres of war. I've been reading a few of Bryan Litz's books on long range precision and accuracy which along with his PC app and iPhone app are all helping me to improve my accuracy. Precision comes with the rifle package, it's up to me to supply the accuracy and I'm getting better each trip.
Dozer should hit my block 2nd week in June so I'll have an area to test loads out to 1750m which will speed up development somewhat. If I was going to shoot game at range I'd use the .375 Cheytac with 350gr of SMK @ 3070 fps cause even out to 2000yds its still supersonic and hits with 980ft-lbs making the .338 Lap its bitch
brett1868 wrote:Last trip I managed a 5 shot 5" group at 1000m in perfect conditions with the .416 so the skill level is getting there albeit slowly.
Lyam wrote:brett1868 wrote:Last trip I managed a 5 shot 5" group at 1000m in perfect conditions with the .416 so the skill level is getting there albeit slowly.
How long do you reckon it takes you to get settled/comfy to take a shot like that though?
Short enough you could do the same on grazing game?
bigfellascott wrote:...... just need that first shot to be on the money or close to it really.
Gwion wrote:bigfellascott wrote:...... just need that first shot to be on the money or close to it really.
And this is the challenge at range, isn't it. No sighters to get you on the money for distance. Just have to know everything inside out. Dead on range, dead on wind read, consistent ammo, good rifle and good shooter. A lot of practice and dedication to get anywhere close to good enough to do it.
Lyam wrote:brett1868 wrote:Last trip I managed a 5 shot 5" group at 1000m in perfect conditions with the .416 so the skill level is getting there albeit slowly.
How long do you reckon it takes you to get settled/comfy to take a shot like that though?
Short enough you could do the same on grazing game?
brett1868 wrote:If the intended game was moving about too much I'd either get closer or abort the shot and tell stories of the one that got away.