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Leased Crown Land

Post by bladeracer » 23 Oct 2016, 6:44 am

Was chatting with a Parks Victoria ranger yesterday.
He mentioned, without going into too much detail, that there are two kinds of crown land lease.
Essentially a lease of the land itself, or a lease on the resources only.
The first, you need the lessee's permission to enter, similar to private property.
The second you don't, and can freely enter and use the area just like any other crown land.
You just can't interfere in any way with the lessee's activities, or the leased resources - generally being trees was my impression.

Anybody able to explain this more definitely?
He seemed to feel that the less the public knows about the second kind of lease the happier Parks Vic are about it, so I didn't push him on it.
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Re: Leased Crown Land

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 23 Oct 2016, 6:55 am

Thats generally how the Government and its bureaucracy works...less the peasants know the better.


With crown land there is a 'lease' almost the same rights as freehold, but you dont own the land. You cant enter without leaseholder consent etc, there are some allowance for hunters crossing but its specific. Then there is a 'licence' which is the lowest level of rights to land, you can use the land for a specific purpose, eg, grazing thats it, hunters can hunt, etc.... but check the current Vic Gov website to confirm. It should be covered on a few, probably GMA too.
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Post by Oldbloke » 23 Oct 2016, 8:17 pm

I have always found this confusing. Pine plantations are often leased in SF but there is never a fence and signs are rare. How the hell are you ment to know if you can enter.
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Post by bladeracer » 23 Oct 2016, 8:25 pm

Oldbloke wrote:I have always found this confusing. Pine plantations are often leased in SF but there is never a fence and signs are rare. How the hell are you ment to know if you can enter.



I'm going to look into this week as there's tons of crown land around me that's leased so I've just assumed it's no go.
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Post by Oldbloke » 23 Oct 2016, 9:01 pm

Let us know how you find out bladeracer.
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Post by AusTac » 23 Oct 2016, 9:26 pm

Most of the plantations in vic are hvp hancock and you will be f'ed up if your caught, theres usually no entry signs at least at each corner hard to tell whats what as the land they use ( log tracks/logging areas ) changes season to season
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 24 Oct 2016, 8:38 am

AusTac wrote:Most of the plantations in vic are hvp hancock and you will be f'ed up if your caught, theres usually no entry signs at least at each corner hard to tell whats what as the land they use ( log tracks/logging areas ) changes season to season


They have 'invisible' fences, with 'Public Safety Zones' that are availale via mapping, Forest explorer etc, that is meant to keep the public 'safe' ut in effect keeps the public OUT of a good deal of public land, or at least gives forestry employee and Rangers the 'right' to evict you..... or otherwise, as you say, f you up. :thumbsdown:


http://www.delwp.vic.gov.au/parks-fores ... fety-zones

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The Safety on Public Land Act 2004 (SPLA) addresses public safety in State forests by providing for the establishment and enforcement of public safety zones.

The SPLA (Section 4(1)) creates a provision to declare public safety zones.

The intent of public safety zones is to:

protect flora and fauna — for example, to allow rehabilitation of a site in a heavily used area or, to allow for forest regeneration following a bushfire or other disturbance
protect water, soil, natural, cultural or historical values such as: restricting access to water supply infrastructure; to minimise soil erosion following heavy rainfalls; or to temporarily restrict vehicle traffic to a historic mine or other place of significance
better manage public recreational activities such as restricting access to allow for preparation for public events such as car rallies, music festivals or orienteering events
protect sites where scientific or research investigations or educational activities are being conducted
allow the orderly and safe management of fuel reduction and fire suppression activities
maintain public safety in events such as landslips, floods and at times of Code Red fire danger rating forecast.

Code Red public safety zones

The Department of Environment, Land, Water and Planning is responsible for the declaration of Code Red public safety zones. Overview maps and gazette notices of the current State forest public safety zones in the Bureau of Meteorology Weather Forecast Districts for Code Red fire danger-rated days are located on the Closures of parks and forests web page.
Public Safety Zones for Planned Burning and other fuel reduction activities.

The Department of Environment, Land, Water and Planning is responsible for the declaration of public safety zones for planned burning and fuel reduction related actives . Overview maps and gazette notices of the current State forest public safety zones are located on the Closures of parks and forests web page.
Declarations of Public Safety Zones for timber harvesting operations have been repealed and replaced by timber harvesting safety zones

On 28 May 2014, amendments to the Sustainable Forests (Timber) Act 2004 (SFTA) and SPLA became effective.

Section 4(2)(g) of the SPLA has been repealed, and public safety zones for timber harvesting operations have now been replaced by timber harvesting safety zones, under the SFTA

The previous public safety zone declaration for timber harvesting operations of 23 December 2013 has also been repealed.


All that jizz about protecting 'stuff'.... you may as well replace it all with "To exclude hunters and other recreational users..." just dont beat around the proverbial (and literal) bush...
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Re: Leased Crown Land

Post by happyhunter » 24 Oct 2016, 8:42 am

You can traverse leased land so long as you take the shortest path from point A to B and unload the firearm. Search the DSE, DPI or whatever it is they call themselves these days website. It's in one of there "can I do stuff.." pages.
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Re: Leased Crown Land

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 24 Oct 2016, 9:11 am

Consider, most of the dark green forest area to the left of the Glenburn - Toolangi line is state forest, indicated on hunting maps to be 'deer huntable',

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Then, consider the forestry related (exclusion) ones...

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In addition to the above would be the non-forestry, code red and flora / fauna etc zones.....

http://vicforeststrp.maps.arcgis.com/ap ... d5eb6c5813
http://www.vicforests.com.au/static/upl ... pyoxgz.pdf
http://www.vicforests.com.au/planning-1 ... ease-plans
http://www.delwp.vic.gov.au/parks-fores ... fety-zones
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