Hunting with hounds, is it really hunting?

[bigfellascott]

Yes!

[wrenchman]

lol my golden thinks he is a lap dog on a side note i have never hunted deer with a dog in the south it is much more common i have hunted bears with dogs
it is nice becouse if it is not a bear you want to take you pull the dog off.
I like all forms of hunting its why i like to come to this site culture and tradition tend to drive a lot of game laws here in the states when one way falls out is when there conflict among hunter and the antis will jump right up to help ban any form of hunting.

[Lorgar]

For me it goes against the very principle of hunting

You say that like the "principle" of hunting is a specific and universally accepted thing.

(The following comments are partly in response to this, the original post and hunting in general. Not having a go at you or anything BR)

People hunt for a variety of reasons; Some to destroy pests, some purely for the challenge, some as a combination of recreation and food gathering, some as a food source literally for their survival.

At the end of the day you're trying to accomplish a task, in any avenue of life it would be at least nonsensical, if not foolish, to deny yourself an advantage or tool to better accomplish it.

If a hunter/hound master is going hunting for food specifically, that is "I am going out in the hope of returning with food" why wouldn't he use his dogs? Why would he decrease his chance of success by not using them?

There are folk who live in the northern parts of the world who need to fill their meat lockers with deer before winter cuts them off from the world for months, who will literally starve if they fail. It would be foolishness of the highest order (and potentially fatal) not to use every advantage at their disposal. Be that dogs or otherwise.

A rifle hunter can argue that using dogs isn't sporting. By that logic you should accept the assertion by a bow-hunter that using a rifle isn't sporting. Anyone who can hunt with a spear would be equally right in saying hunting with a bow isn't sporting. If you accept the first assertion you have to accept the rest going down the chain until you're talking about wrestling them with your bare hands and teeth.

I'm not advocating the use of dogs here, or otherwise, but "principles" are a personal thing, not a practical one. And principles have to give way to realities at times.

You're needs and what you find acceptable may not be applicable to people in other situations, or hunting for other reasons.

There is more than one kind of hunting out there.

[bladeracer]

Read my statement again, I think I was fairly clear about it being a personal view

[Lorgar]

Yes indeed, friend. Quite clear.

I then said, with equal clarity, that my comments we partly in response to you, the original post and on the subject of hunting in general.

[bladeracer]

Yes indeed, friend. Quite clear.

I then said, with equal clarity, that my comments we partly in response to you, the original post and on the subject of hunting in general.

Yes, you did indeed
I was merely responding to your specific response to my statement before your clear statement about your general comments.

All good here, just put ten rounds through the .303 using the Hornady .312" 100gn XTP

[Blackened]

This is the kind of "argument" we like to see

[bladeracer]

This is the kind of "argument" we like to see

I try to set a good example...but usually of what not to do

[tom604]

yes, hunting with hounds is hunting,,the same as hunting with a bow/gun/spear/apple is hunting,,they are just tools to help hunters to have a successful hunt









the apple is to keep you healthy as in an apple a day

[<<Genesis93>>]

wow, chill there Chronos...

People have been hunting game including deer with hounds for longer than they've been using guns, the last thing we as a hunting community need is more excused to split us into less powerful factions.

Question, do you really believe using a pointer is cheating? Is hunting with a mate cheating too? what about driving to the hunting grounds or using a gun at all? Maybe we should ban guns too, just buy your meat from the supermarket where no animals are harmed LOL

Actually, hunting with mates, that didn't even cross my mind, flushing the animals - no I don't think that's cheating, so this is why I asked, see, forum, ideas, opinions... Put dem claws back in

No claws mate, hence the quote of the supermarket line and the "LOL"

Besides hunting with your dog is better than him lying around the house like this




Chronos

That would be Apollo right Steve??
What a lay SOB...

Hunting with dogs is a most natural form of hunting....man mastering beast, to hunt another beast for food.... doesnt get any better than that..

Dogs hunting a pig, man sticking it.... though I've never done it before, thats more than fair as far as the chase goes...no qualms here

Pointers, done that a few times and I thing its a beautiful thing, when the dog understands its role to assist the master...its amazing to see a well trained pointer, point to the birds - and it know the master must be quick... then to retrieve. The behaviour of quail are equally amazing...

[<<Genesis93>>]

silly me...I forgot he can't see my posts, I'm on his foe list as a result of being traumatised by me.

Come on Steve.... friends ??

(luckily he can neither see this one)

[WhelanLad]

good post, controversial if posted elsewhere, this forum seems a bit more laid back, or lack of hound hunters?

each to their own on the HH , I personally like deer a bit too much and don't like to see them all stressed out an run to the end, bailed an shot..
the 'hunters' are about numbers length and causalities.. eek. I agree with what ya thinking.... BUT not everyone does think the same an it is still Legal and one point the HoundCrews are good at.. is reducing Deer numbers without doubt. and thatsa good thing.


Pointing Dogs are a different story, all good aslong as they arnt chasing IMO.
I'm not huge on pig hunting with dogs either, but as flushers and such, makes good sense for all game. land or air.

cheers.

[bigfellascott]

Could have used a few dogs yesterday whilst out chasing pigs, god knows how many were in the blackberries we were hunting them around.

[Lorgar]

This is the kind of "argument" we like to see

I try to set a good example...but usually of what not to do

I see now we have veered from typical internet behaviour. Apologies.

Let me rephrase, what I meant to say was:

"Shut up bladeracer. I'm right, you're wrong. La la la la LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

[zobster]

I hunt for meat, not trophies nor the thrill of the hunt. If hounds make hunting easier, why not?! In saying that, I doubt my lab would actually retrieve anything other than a stick!

[juststarting]

I think we can put this topic to bed now

[WhelanLad]

I hunt for meat, not trophies nor the thrill of the hunt. If hounds make hunting easier, why not?! In saying that, I doubt my lab would actually retrieve anything other than a stick!

they say stressed adrenaline-ized meat is ****** so why have a dog chase yer deer a few k then shot up before ya eat it? I prefer to sneak in an wack an unalarmed deer to eat... lol

pack of hounds V a lab.... chalk an cheeses