300AAC be used to hunt deer in Victoria?

[flashman]

Well thanks for all your input , ok (1) new weapon, or(2) restock 30/06 with a Boyds , with reduced loads,well I've got a starting point,
...hope I can for mine.

[bladeracer]

K.....308 win sounds like a plan, what foot pounds are we looking at ???

Some recoil guidelines here: http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

30-06 / 150gr - 17.5 lbs
30-06 / 180gr - 20.1 lbs

.308 / 150gr - 15.8 lbs
.308 / 165gr - 18.1 lbs

300 AAC / 125gr - Not listed but I think it's about 6 lbs off the top of my head.

The point of 300BLK is big heavy slugs at low velocities, like 220gn at 1000fps for 2.5lbs of recoil energy.
I wouldn't be using it on deer, certainly not Sambar.

I have a very messed up shoulder so I get why you wouldn't enjoy shooting 30-'06 off the bench, but for hunting deer how many shots do you plan to take? Put a shoulder pad in your jacket, put a fat recoil pad on the rifle, and take the shot.
https://enoughgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6560&p=99772#p99772

I suffer most from the shotgun and the 7.62x54R, the .303 and 8x57mm don't bother my shoulder. The 7mm-08 is gentler than all of them.

[Oldbloke]

Well thanks for all your input , ok (1) new weapon, or(2) restock 30/06 with a Boyds , with reduced loads,well I've got a starting point,
...hope I can for mine.

There is no need to buy a new stock. In fact it might not be heavy enough.
All you need is a zip lock bag or sock and some lead shot. Jam it inside the plastic sock with packing to stop it moving. Easy easy.

[flashman]

Looks like a Boyds, in pepper I think.....

[bladeracer]

Well bugger me , didn't think of the stock !! Mine is synthetic and very light , Boyds wooden stock , I wonder how much recoil it would absorb,any guesses???

For 7mm-08 shooting a 160gn bullet at 2500fps on 40gns of powder.
The bare Ruger American 22" is 2.85kg and makes 17.4ft/lbs of felt recoil energy.
Put on a scope, rings, bipod, butt pad and sling and it'll probably be closer to 4kg and make 12.5ft/lbs of felt recoil. A wooden stock or aluminium chassis will reduce it further still.
I have the 7mm-08 Ruger American 22" in an MDT chassis with folding stock, bipod and ten-round mag at 5.15kg, offering 9.6ft/lbs of recoil - about midway between shooting an iron-sighted rifle in .223 and .243. It's very, very mild.

I forgot earlier to add that using a sling wrapped around your support arm also reduces the recoil felt at your shoulder.

[flashman]

Ok didn't think to modify my existing stock, bugger more food for thought ,which way will I jump..

[bladeracer]

There is no need to buy a new stock. In fact it might not be heavy enough.
All you need is a zip lock bag or sock and some lead shot. Jam it inside the plastic sock with packing to stop it moving. Easy easy.

There's not a lot of difference between a poly stock and a lami stock.
On the Ruger American Rimfire the stocks weigh 0.84kg and 1.09kg - 250gms is all the difference is.
I agree, it'll be easier to significantly increase the weight of the poly stock.

[bladeracer]

Something else worth considering perhaps is the powder you're using. The weight of the powder is part of the "projectile".
In a 4.5kg 30-'06 shooting a 168gn bullet at 2800fps, you can use 48gn of BM8208 or 58gn of AR2209.
The BM8208 makes 15.4ft/lbs of recoil energy, the AR2209 makes 17.5ft/lbs - 14% more felt recoil for exactly the same terminal performance.

[flashman]

Powder I'm using . 47.5 AR2208-165 gr Nosler ballistic tip,or 53gr AR2209-165 Speer GrandSlam ,all with Norma brass,both shoot well in my gun with good results

[duncan61]

7mm/08 sounds perfect.I have 2 loads for my 7mm Rem Mag one is 100 gr Sierra and the other 168 gr Match King and the felt recoil is massive on the heavier bullet.

[flashman]

Duncan61,7mm/08 ,trying to save my shoulder mate ,good all round though, got a lot of good ideas just a matter of doing some experimenting with my 30/06 loads ,see what l can do the stock ".....

[Oldbloke]

Powder I'm using . 47.5 AR2208-165 gr Nosler ballistic tip,or 53gr AR2209-165 Speer GrandSlam ,all with Norma brass,both shoot well in my gun with good results

Try dropping the powder down to about 43 gr of ar2208. That is about starting load for 30-06

I'm loading 44.2 gr ar2208 with 180gr projectile and mild to shoot.

[flashman]

Thanks Oldbloke it's a starting point , the reduction in powder load is that with 165 gr projectial..? starting to get a handle on what direction to move in thanks..........we'll still might buy 300AAC just won't tell the misses ....

[Oldbloke]

Thanks Oldbloke it's a starting point , the reduction in powder load is that with 165 gr projectial..? starting to get a handle on what direction to move in thanks..........we'll still might buy 300AAC just won't tell the misses ....

Yep, 165gr with 43gr AR2208. It will be very mild to shoot standing up. A few things effect recoil.

Heavier firearm, less recoil.
Less powder, less recoil.
Lighter projectile less recoil.
Light person shooting, less felt recoil
Standing less recoil.
Fat person sitting more recoil.
Soft recoil pad, less felt recoil.

www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders/warn ... ifle%2Easp

[flashman]

Oldbloke: All makes sense bottom line is less recoil is what I'm after , lots of reading ahead , thanks.....

[Oldbloke]

Correction,
165gr with 44gr AR2208. About 2550fps. Should be OK out to about 150 - 180 yards.
You can go lower but there are limits. And as you already have decent 165gr bullets you may as well use them.

[flashman]

Yep got that wright 165 gr Speer Grandslam is the best deer bullet I've use and I've tried so many ,works for me....

[Gwion]

Wife just put her 2 cents in , learn to shoot left handed .........

I learnt to shoot left handed as a right handed person. Not that hard to do. Just practice a lot with your 22lr.

[Mitch]

300AAC will work on most deer, but i wouldn't use mine on Sambar

[flashman]

Good one Gwion , now you sound like my misses, as she says take up crocheting no recoil in that ........

[Oldbloke]

Good one Gwion , now you sound like my misses, as she says take up crocheting no recoil in that ........

Just the idea makes me recoil.

[flashman]

Thanks ,Oldbloke that a confidence booster Thanks.....

[flashman]

A start new recoil pad !!

[flashman]

Next reduced loads ,44.5 gr AR 2208 165 grand slam --2,526 fps see how we go !!!

[flashman]

Crap ,stuffted that up ay .................... .

[Oldbloke]

Soooo, have solved the problem? And did you add some weight to the stock?

If you did add weight and find it a bit heavy try a Safari sling.

[Bigjobss]

Soooo, have solved the problem? And did you add some weight to the stock?

If you did add weight and find it a bit heavy try a Safari sling.

Looks like we have a convert to the safari sling!

[Oldbloke]

Yeah, . It was very easy to convert a normal sling to Safari style. I will be trying it out next time I go for a long very slow walk.
Has great potential, cause it's always tempting to shoulder a rifle using a standard sling.

[PACLARK]

Hey mate so glad to see another 300blk shooter, I chose the calibre about 5 years ago also due to injuries and wanted less recoil and have had tremendous success on sambar.
My hunting is both private property in which I use thermal and state forest where I lay in wait on game trails in daylight hours, I use winchester deer season 150gr extreme points admitingly most shots are under 100 yards so placement is good, even big stags rarely go more than 50 yards or so after impact.
I have a second rifle set up with longer custom barrel and it's a gem on hoggies and fallow with hornady 110 vmax rounds out to 200 yards.
I also went to hornady custom lites in my 308 and fitted a muzzle brake and the recoil is at least halved.
Hope this helps because I am a huge believer in the 300blk for close range work.