Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Daddybang » 02 Mar 2018, 5:43 pm

Oldbloke wrote:
Stix wrote:
By the way...ive got 2 bunny skins in buckets with 2 different alum recipes...
They've been in since Sunday...you rekon thats long enough...?

Ill let you know how they shape up...


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+1 Should be plenty :drinks:
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Stix » 02 Mar 2018, 5:48 pm

Righto then...
Well they're stsyin in for tonight but ill drag em out tomorrow...
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Stix » 02 Mar 2018, 5:50 pm

Any tips on rinsing...drying...fleshing...breaking...?

Thought id do the high pressure fleshing--during the week ive tried peeling the inner skin off a little but have ripped them... (they were young bunnies so soft hides)...
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Daddybang » 02 Mar 2018, 5:53 pm

Try a sanding block to flesh . We used a small battery powered orbital but that might be too much for bunnies :unknown: :drinks:
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by sungazer » 02 Mar 2018, 6:35 pm

Stix I used to have the skins turned inside out and then put on coat hangers if you grab the coat hanger in the middle opposite the hook and pull away from the hook you get a good skin stretcher. I used to peel the membrane from the bunnies it was a red thin film that needs to come off.
I used the pressure washer on another roo the other day using the booster nozzel and it put a few holes in it so next time I will just use a normal spray probably one of the finer angle ones.
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Stix » 02 Mar 2018, 8:08 pm

My ol'man used to have a heap of thick steel wire frames for the bunny skins...just thick wire bent to a 'U'...
Unfortunately id already gutted these bunnies & decided to keep the skins the next day, so they are already mini rugs...
I rekon he's disposed of all the frames...

Maybe ive taken too much of the membrane off...
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Oldbloke » 09 Mar 2018, 4:32 am

Stix, how did the cat skin turn out?
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Stix » 09 Mar 2018, 5:30 pm

Its stil frozen ob...
I did 2 bunny skins to experiment...
Didnt turn out too well really.

Had a painful time trying to flesh them, before during & after the soaking.

Tried 2 diff recipe's both of which seemed to stop hair slipping, but the skins have torn while fleshing breaking.
Maybe it hasnt worked...? I've got no past experience to go by...

But these suck mate...fur feels good, skin side is brittle in places & soft in others...

I need to try again with some freshies. ..
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by bladeracer » 10 Mar 2018, 10:12 am

Stix wrote:I need to try again with some freshies. ..


Fresh ones are warm and cuddly, but hang onto the back feet, they can get boisterous :-)
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Oldbloke » 10 Mar 2018, 3:14 pm

This is the basic process in order;
1. Skin the animal
2. Then flesh the hide
3. Then salt the hide , do this several times
4. If you wish dry the hide
5. If you dried the hide then soak the hide in water to soften.
6. Then place the hide in the tanning solution wait several days stirring occasionally
7. Then dry the hide
8. Then break in and oil
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Stix » 11 Mar 2018, 10:48 am

bladeracer wrote:
Stix wrote:I need to try again with some freshies. ..


Fresh ones are warm and cuddly, but hang onto the back feet, they can get boisterous :-)


:lol:
Got it covered mate...im a ninja...!!
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Stix » 10 Jul 2018, 6:44 pm

Im wondering if any of you fur tanners have any tips on how to treat the head, particularly when it comes to the pinning out to dry/oiling stage...

I have a cats head, & a fox (heads on full furs) that have not turned out so well in that they are a little stiff & deformed.(I realise with these particular 2 skins ive stretched it a little too much for the drying process,& left it for too long before breaking).
But still I find the skin is thicker on the heads, & particularly hard to flesh out from the eyes forward, so i often end up with some of the glands still just inside the eyes & the nose/whiskers area.

Given the heads (particularly on cats) are rounded, how do you treat them in the pinning out/oiling stage...?

Im thinking of trying a scrunched up rag in the head of the next cat to see if that will be any better-but it will obviously not lay with the look of being flat if i do this, however the head may look more natural (?)...

What do you guys do for the heads left on skins. :unknown:
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Stix » 20 Aug 2018, 12:51 am

Some may remember this big fella i bowled over a couple of months back...
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Eeek...!
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Salted
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Well he is now done & here in my latest batch of skins...a hubby n wife pair of foxes, & my monster lion.

These worked a bit better than the last lot, with the exception of the knife nics & couple of tears.
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Latest batch
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The cat skin was quite difficult & it has actually shrunk.
Problems arose from the varying thickness of the hide.
The hide is normal cat/fox thickness at the back legs, but it gets thicker the closer to the head...to the point where its very thick across the back of the shoulders, & even thicker head....so where its thicker its not as soft & pliable.
I kept feeding it the oil so as to avoid this but it didnt work.

With the exception of a very small amount of fur slip around the tip of the ears, the fur has set well & is beautifully soft & thick.
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Big boy
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Unfortunately i put a 2" tear in it just behind a front leg while breaking & stretching it.

Just for a little perspective on size, the cat fur in this next pic is next to a mature bitch fox & is notably heavier (the earlier pic is dog fox on left).
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Cat next to mature bitch fox
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Im not sure if i should wet the skin up again & try get more oil into it...?
I might give it more breaking over a bit of timber, but dont think ill get the thick areas any more pliable.
Happy to hear any tips to get thick skins softer if anyone has any. :)

Overall im pretty happy how its turned out, not perfect but it could have been a lot worse. :D
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Oldbloke » 20 Aug 2018, 8:21 pm

They look pretty good to me stix. What tanning recipe did you use?
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Stix » 20 Aug 2018, 8:42 pm

Oldbloke wrote:They look pretty good to me stix. What tanning recipe did you use?


I purchased a kit... DS Horne kit...it uses Alum & salt to set the fur, & chromium powder added for second stage for the hide, then fat/oil to skin.
http://www.dshorne.com.au/hornes-practical-tanning-kits

Works well enough, but ive used a good portion of the oil already, & it dies the skin blue/green from the chrome powder.

I need to find out if we (I) can buy the chrome powder seperately, as we know the alum & salt are easily come by...it would make for very cheap & effective tanning.
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Stix » 20 Aug 2018, 8:47 pm

I left the cartilidge in the ears of the cat for a few days while it was in the Alum salt pickle thinking it would be ok, but i still got some very minor fur slip on the tips of the ears with the cat.
I did the same with the foxes but got no such fur slip...im not sure whats going on there :unknown: maybe something to do with the salting at first :unknown: ??
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by marksman » 20 Aug 2018, 9:27 pm

definitely got something to do with the salting first Stix
very nice cat Stix, I showed the missus, she's been wanting an orange cat for a long time :lol:
she recons it's a maine coon cat, just like the one she wants :lol:
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Re: Tanning/Initial Tanning Prep...

Post by Stix » 20 Aug 2018, 10:37 pm

Now thats a pelt id like to have marksman...but i dunno about a pet--just cant imagine stepping over that custom made litter tray in the laundry... :x
You'd need a big mulch/hay fork to shift them nuggets...!! :shock:


Eat your heart out Daniel Boone,
Marksmans' getting a Maine Coone... :lol:
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