Sambar hunting 7mm RM vs 30-06

[wrenchman]

i say get the one you like its more what you want and what works for you.
i have found what i hunt with has more to do were i am hunting and what typ of hunting i am doing.
good luck and be safe.

[TassieTiger]

The 270 is a fine cartridge (for fragile ppl) and no doubt they all have their attributes.
I read somewhere in a book now, that with modern boat tail projectiles and ballistic hunting tips, the 06 hits with more energy at 500 yards, than the 300wsm at 100 yards with older style slugs.

I would like to see the data, are you saying that with a 180 grain boat tail the 30/06 has more energy at 500 than a 180 grain round nosed bullet from the WSM at 100? I am sure you don't believe this.

You also might be surprised how capable the 270 is, at 500 metres it has a ballistic advantage over the 30/06. They are both very capable cartridges and neither kick like a 45/70.

Well it was on the internet so it must be accurate, ?
The thing is, I never looked into it - because I really don’t care...I came across it (May have been a YouTube video...long live the 06 or the 06 isn’t dead or some crap...
EVEN if it had a spec of truth to it, if the author used a modern boat tail in the 300wsm - it would negate all the claims so wtf?
I know the 270 is a great round and shoots flatter. 338 lapua is great as well as is the .22lr but the absolute fact is - I currently don’t own a 270 but I do an 06 so it is my duty to hang satanic poo on the 270 same as everyone else does...brings up an interesting point tho...
I wonder how many ppl own calibres (or owned) they don’t like and don’t support? 5% 1% ? Wouldn’t be many. Humanism is a weird thing.

[SCJ429]

They are all great usable case designs, we are just spoilt for choice and can pick and choose. The good thing about the 30/06 and the 308 is that there is so much data available for all sorts of bullets.

[TassieTiger]

100% agree and I’ve said it previously - I don’t know why I’ve gravitated to the 06 over anything else...no rhyme reason. But there is enough data out there, enough tech, enough ppl that almost every caliber can be made to do fifty times more than the original design...I’ve seen 223’s shooting to a 1000.
Ballistics ? Is the scheme of hunting, if your holding 5 inches as opposed to 6 - what does it matter, a 10-20% variation? Means nothing to the deer...

[TassieTiger]

The 270 is a fine cartridge (for fragile ppl) and no doubt they all have their attributes.
I read somewhere in a book now, that with modern boat tail projectiles and ballistic hunting tips, the 06 hits with more energy at 500 yards, than the 300wsm at 100 yards with older style slugs.

I would like to see the data, are you saying that with a 180 grain boat tail the 30/06 has more energy at 500 than a 180 grain round nosed bullet from the WSM at 100? I am sure you don't believe this.

You also might be surprised how capable the 270 is, at 500 metres it has a ballistic advantage over the 30/06. They are both very capable cartridges and neither kick like a 45/70.

Here was where I saw the details about the 06 vs 300;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMevDaoEhfk&t=2s

I knew I saw it somewhere....

[duncan61]

Round nose bullets are for short range big game and modern target bullets are designed to fly a long way.What happens to the 30/06 with a round nose and the 300 with a target bullet.Not being an ass and I shoot a 7mm Rem Mag but we are all loyal to our favorite toys

[TassieTiger]

Round nose bullets are for short range big game and modern target bullets are designed to fly a long way.What happens to the 30/06 with a round nose and the 300 with a target bullet.Not being an ass and I shoot a 7mm Rem Mag but we are all loyal to our favorite toys

As I wrote above that post previously “EVEN if it had a spec of truth to it, if the author used a modern boat tail in the 300wsm - it would negate all the claims so wtf?”

Ya ass

[marksman]

I can see you are as hooked on the 30-06 as I am Tassie
there are other rounds that will do it flatter but who cares as you said " Means nothing to the deer..." and dead is dead
I have a few rifles I can take out but usually I am just grabbing the 06, dont worry though they get the job done without a hitch
I have used mine supported and unsupported to shoot deer out to 400 easy but would go further out with it
I do not have a 7mm rem mag but do have a high opinion of it if I were to compare

[SCJ429]

The 270 is a fine cartridge (for fragile ppl) and no doubt they all have their attributes.
I read somewhere in a book now, that with modern boat tail projectiles and ballistic hunting tips, the 06 hits with more energy at 500 yards, than the 300wsm at 100 yards with older style slugs.

I would like to see the data, are you saying that with a 180 grain boat tail the 30/06 has more energy at 500 than a 180 grain round nosed bullet from the WSM at 100? I am sure you don't believe this.

You also might be surprised how capable the 270 is, at 500 metres it has a ballistic advantage over the 30/06. They are both very capable cartridges and neither kick like a 45/70.

Here was where I saw the details about the 06 vs 300;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMevDaoEhfk&t=2s

I knew I saw it somewhere....

The vid seemed to say that at 600 the 06 shooting high BC bullets would be going faster than a low BC round nose bullet shot out of a Rem Mag also at 600. Hardly surprising, as they say "speed is good but BC is forever"

[SCJ429]

It is funny that the vids states that the 30/06 is the ultimate big game cartridge.

[TassieTiger]

I think the vid has been done up by some 30-06 nut job...who had s negative experience with a 300 maybe

[SCJ429]

I get that people love this case but it is laid on a bit thick in the vid. The 30/06 is a very capable case but it is not the most capable 30 cal, it's designers never set out with that goal in mind.

[flutch]

Just go for a 308 better than both of them.

better at being a girls gun.

[flutch]

I get that people love this case but it is laid on a bit thick in the vid. The 30/06 is a very capable case but it is not the most capable 30 cal, it's designers never set out with that goal in mind.

judging by the difference in the mess made by my 300win vs my 270 I would suggest that the video maker is just a fanboi.. the 300win is far more devastating than pretty much anything in the 30-06 case family except maybe a hot loaded 338 A-Square.

[marksman]

I get that people love this case but it is laid on a bit thick in the vid. The 30/06 is a very capable case but it is not the most capable 30 cal, it's designers never set out with that goal in mind.

judging by the difference in the mess made by my 300win vs my 270 I would suggest that the video maker is just a fanboi.. the 300win is far more devastating than pretty much anything in the 30-06 case family except maybe a hot loaded 338 A-Square.

that's a big reason why I use the 30-06 and stopped using my 300wm for meat animals
shoot a deer in the big toe with a 300wm and most of the body will be bruise because of kinetic shock
I do like the 300wm and will one day get another

[flutch]

I get that people love this case but it is laid on a bit thick in the vid. The 30/06 is a very capable case but it is not the most capable 30 cal, it's designers never set out with that goal in mind.

judging by the difference in the mess made by my 300win vs my 270 I would suggest that the video maker is just a fanboi.. the 300win is far more devastating than pretty much anything in the 30-06 case family except maybe a hot loaded 338 A-Square.

that's a big reason why I use the 30-06 and stopped using my 300wm for meat animals
shoot a deer in the big toe with a 300wm and most of the body will be bruise because of kinetic shock
I do like the 300wm and will one day get another

Yeah admittedly if I were meat hunting I would be using one piece solid brass projectiles or just skip it and use the 270 instead. Dont often do much of that anyways due to parents and family having farms and therefore livestock to get cheap, but yeah I definitely understand your point

as for the original question I wouldn't know what terrain you are in, if you want all round the 7mm else lesser distances the 30-06 will do just fine.

[TassieTiger]

I can see you are as hooked on the 30-06 as I am Tassie
there are other rounds that will do it flatter but who cares as you said " Means nothing to the deer..." and dead is dead
I have a few rifles I can take out but usually I am just grabbing the 06, dont worry though they get the job done without a hitch
I have used mine supported and unsupported to shoot deer out to 400 easy but would go further out with it
I do not have a 7mm rem mag but do have a high opinion of it if I were to compare

My rem 260 shoots 140 Nosler bt’s very flat and would happily bring down almost anything in this stage at distances far greater than I’m prepared to shoot at...BUT...it’s not the 06...I don’t know Joe understand it. I think I feel like I’m clicking a bit back to the forefathers? When I grab the 06?? I don’t know...it’s farkin stooped!