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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 09 Sep 2019, 8:14 am

If you are keen on a 308, why not ditch the 30/06 you have on the way and put your money into the best rifle and optics you can. Bit pointless having both a 30/06 and a 308.

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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by Vicko » 09 Sep 2019, 10:53 am

Fair call.
But the 30-06 has some fairly serious sentimental value. And its a fairly light weight stock, so ideal for stalking and medium range - not for long range or target stuff. At some point I'll take it to the range to practise on, but its not really a range rifle. I can practise with it at home out to 200m.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by TassieTiger » 09 Sep 2019, 11:31 am

Your 30-06 should happily shoot 150's to maybe 180's hunting projectiles...a 308 will shoot 150's to 165's or thereabouts....thus to my thinking, a 308 seems a strange calibre to settle on given your getting an 06 regardless.
A 260 or 270 or 6.5 will shoot 120 / 140gns quite happily to longer distances with very good BC and give you much more versatility both in the field and at the range when considered in conjunction with your 06.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by Vicko » 09 Sep 2019, 1:15 pm

I wont be using the 30-06 in any comps though (I don't think I can even if I wanted can I??).
It is quite a light stock and I don't think will be suitable accuracy wise for longer distances.
And the 6.5 will still put me into F Open class against serious custom rigs.. I know that I'm only really 'competing against myself'. And that I'm doing this to improve my skills. But I also know I'm a competitive bastard and will want to be on a relatively even playing field...

Hmm.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by sungazer » 09 Sep 2019, 5:48 pm

Yep I think you will find building a custom 308 the best route in the long run. Use the club gun until you can get yourself sorted.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 09 Sep 2019, 6:50 pm

sungazer wrote:Yep I think you will find building a custom 6mm BR Norma the best route in the long run. .


I fixed it for you. :shock:
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by sungazer » 09 Sep 2019, 8:12 pm

This is one of the reasons that F-open can get expensive as I don't disagree with you for ranges up to 500 yrds on a calm day The 6mm cartridges show a real advantage. Then the 6.5 mm either 47 or Lap is good for the 500 to 800 yrds with a bit of weather. However after that the 7mm SAUM come out to play at the Longs 8,900 and 1000 yrds they may even be used on the shorter ranges if weather is s**t and the comp worth winning.

Now if you are Shooting F standard you know everyone is shooting a 308 and shooting 155 bullets.

So I have nothing against other calibers and again having places to shoot is the most important thing to get right first.

Also don't dismiss the 308 as a precision round there are often very few points difference over a multi-day competition between F-open and F std depending who is shooting. It is a tough gig being competitive here in Australia as we have some or a lot of the worlds top shooters competing in these local club day comps.

Also pretty much any factory or factory gun put together form parts is not really going to cut it against the Target customs in F Open. That class does attract the shooters with more money. You can get away with a re-barreled Remington 700 in the NATO F classes and compete on pretty much a level playing field other than the old blokes at the top really know how to shoot.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by TassieTiger » 09 Sep 2019, 8:43 pm

Don’t discard the 308? The 06 held plenty of 1000 yard records for a looong time and not necessarily from heavy barrels...
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 09 Sep 2019, 9:17 pm

My thinking is that he wants to try some competition shooting with a rifle he can use for hunting. He has a 30/06 and it is easier to shoot a 6mm or 6.5. If he wants to shoot F standard he could use a 223 with 80 grain Bergers and if he wants to move up later he can. Nothing could be easier to load and shoot than the little 223.

In regards to the 6mm BR I agree that out to 600 there is nothing that has a better record. Even at 1000 yards the BR style cases have excelled holding many world records including I believe the current record one inch group shot in 2018.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by sungazer » 10 Sep 2019, 8:14 am

Only issue with the 223 is that to shoot the 80 grn bullets he would need a 1.8 twist barrel, The best you can find on factory rifles is 1.10 perhaps a 1.9 the 1.9 you could probably stabilize a 72grn. Strictly speaking there is a list of bullets that are approved for shooting its a stupid rule that will probably get changed soon but at the moment for 223 and 308 there are specified bullets that must be used.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by TassieTiger » 10 Sep 2019, 12:46 pm

Steyr pro varmint 223 is a 1:9 and has a set trigger - boringly accurate.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by sungazer » 10 Sep 2019, 1:09 pm

Yes but its not a 1.8 which is needed to shoot the Berger 80 80.5 or 82 grn Target bullets. A 1.7 twist is also used by some target shooters.
The factory 223s are further gap between factory and target than what a factory and target 308 if you understand what I mean.

https://www.q-store.com.au/shop/categor ... -22-cal-51
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by Vicko » 10 Sep 2019, 1:48 pm

The club has a savage 223 that I might try as well, but that doesn't tick a lot of boxes for me hunting wise I wouldn't have thought. Too small for anything much bigger than foxes and a 204 would be a better option for around that size anyway if I was buying one around that size.

If the 6.5 was eligible for more than just F Open it would tick all boxes. I'd go an LA102/105/TAC A1 depending on how much coin I could muster. But it isn't. A 308 would give me a lot more options. Including using it to hunt anything up to Sambar with.

It seems there's a PSR comp that meets in Castlemaine 4 times a year. I don't know much about that. But if it allowed a 6.5 then that could be a goer. I think the PSR comps allow pretty much anything up to .30 calibre? That might suit me at this stage anyway as that type of shooting would really translate to good practise for hunting I'd imagine.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 10 Sep 2019, 6:21 pm

sungazer wrote:Only issue with the 223 is that to shoot the 80 grn bullets he would need a 1.8 twist barrel, The best you can find on factory rifles is 1.10 perhaps a 1.9 the 1.9 you could probably stabilize a 72grn. Strictly speaking there is a list of bullets that are approved for shooting its a stupid rule that will probably get changed soon but at the moment for 223 and 308 there are specified bullets that must be used.


There must be a few manufactures that make a factory 1:8 twist barrel for a 223. I have a Tikka Varmint which I mentioned earlier which has a true 1:8 and shoots 80 grain Bergers very well. I have used them to shoot respectable groups out to 700. I used it in a 500 metre fly to shoot a best group of just over three inches.

While no 6mmBR, the little 223 is pretty capable and many shooters have used them successfully out at 1000. I have used it for bigger things than a fox and for those that are too big you always have your 30/06.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by TassieTiger » 10 Sep 2019, 6:25 pm

Tikka .260 (custom)
Steyr Pro Varmint .223
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ATA 686 U/O 12g & Baikal S/S 12g.
Adler a110 28’
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 10 Sep 2019, 6:26 pm

If you are interested in PRS and a 6.5mm you should check out the 6.5 Guys.com.

https://www.65guys.com/
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 20 Sep 2019, 9:23 pm

Check out this rifle, great looking thing from Tac Ops. The price will make your eyes water. The bloke is selling one with a Sergeon action and one with a Remington 700. His add said he was tired of the sport after buying two rifles for near enough $30,000.

https://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=158854

https://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=154588
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by Vicko » 21 Sep 2019, 1:31 pm

Jesus Christ. Thats um. Spendy.
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