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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 21 Sep 2019, 2:41 pm

It is difficult to find a page on the web that tells you what they, Tac Ops, cost new. They look very well put together using quality components but for $6,000 you could build your own using a Stiller, Defiance or BAT Machine action and other quality components. Still they would be very nice things to have in the safe.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by marksman » 21 Sep 2019, 3:29 pm

SCJ429 wrote:Check out this rifle, great looking thing from Tac Ops. The price will make your eyes water. The bloke is selling one with a Sergeon action and one with a Remington 700. His add said he was tired of the sport after buying two rifles for near enough $30,000.

https://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=158854

https://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=154588


they say money talks and bullsh!t walks :lol:
I wonder how they shoot :lol:
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 21 Sep 2019, 7:04 pm

I have seen some pictures online which show a neat little three shot group some bloke produced with his Tac Ops rifle. You would think if you can stick three into one hole you would be confident enough to shoot two more.

I see Tac Ops guarantee 1/4 MOA and for the price and the components used you would hope to do better than that.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by sungazer » 21 Sep 2019, 8:08 pm

I dont understand how is the gun a Tac Ops if it is built on a Surgeon or Remmington 700 action. Normally that is what you would call the model of the gun no matter what barrels or stocks you put them in. Dont know what he spent his money on for them to cost those sort of $. Full custom target rifles built using the same components or better cost way less.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 22 Sep 2019, 8:16 am

sungazer wrote:I dont understand how is the gun a Tac Ops if it is built on a Surgeon or Remmington 700 action. Normally that is what you would call the model of the gun no matter what barrels or stocks you put them in. Dont know what he spent his money on for them to cost those sort of $. Full custom target rifles built using the same components or better cost way less.


Perhaps the name Tactical Operations appeals to a market segment more than Surgeon. Or Remington.

I have often wondered why people would buy a Accuracy International or a Barrett over a BAT or Stiller. The connection to the military must appeal to this demographic.
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Post by sungazer » 22 Sep 2019, 8:34 am

At least the Accuracy International or a Barrett over a BAT are their own designed actions, stocks the works. If Tac Ops is just the company that assembles them as in the same as any gunsmith you could argue that they provide exceptional quality work. On the other side of that is of course there are plenty of gunsmiths that provide exceptional quality work that make world class competition rifles and Australia has plenty of World champion winners so we have some good gunsmiths.

I thing that sometimes these companies like Stiller and Bat have made a name for themselves when they produced their own designed action that was successful in competition but that is just one of the actions in their line up. Then they also sell the Remington 700 clone jazzed up shiny with a few extras perhaps like fluting give it a Tactical name and this is the main seller. I know it is the case with Stiller as I tried to purchase a comp action off them and the reply was we have none in stock and don't intend on making any more. It still featured on the website in bold with great stories attached to it. In the end a Remington 700 is still a Remington 700 of course they are well proven action and can work exceptional well but the do lack a few of the features that can really make an action great.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 22 Sep 2019, 9:32 am

I got to use a BAT action in a comp once and it was the most beautiful thing I have ever shot. When I look at what the winners are using here in Australia it is usually a Stolle, BAT Machine, Barnard or Nesika. While these are improvements on the basic Remington designs, they are a big step up on the factory action.

I did not know that Stiller stopped producing competition actions but for a hunting and crossover rifle they would be an excellent platform.

I agree with you, if I had $12,000 to spend I would get my local gunsmith to build me two custom rifles which would be world class.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by sungazer » 22 Sep 2019, 11:08 am

Even the Surgeon actions are still about the same as any other custom action. In F class and Target rifle it would be Barnard by a country mile then perhaps the Kelby Stolles then it would be much lower numbers perhaps a Bat here or there, there would be a few older actions certainly the RPA quad lock would be in there.

If you have a look at the actions like the Stiller when they start calling them Tactical the clearances / tolerances start opening up. For them it is an easier action to make and the customer I think, thinks it is actually better in some way.

Yes I have used a Bat to and the bolt certainly fits like a glove and slides like on ice.
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Post by SCJ429 » 22 Sep 2019, 12:18 pm

sungazer wrote:If you have a look at the actions like the Stiller when they start calling them Tactical the clearances / tolerances start opening up. For them it is an easier action to make and the customer I think, thinks it is actually better in some way.

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I found that with Accuracy International when a friend brought me some once fired Lapua brass he got after an Army shooting comp. it wouldn't fit in his chamber even after I sized it with a small base body die. It was because of the generous chamber tolerances of the AI rifle so that they will feed dirty ammo. I still don't understand how they shoot well but if they don't or are not allowed to use reloaded ammo they don't care.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 09 Oct 2019, 5:22 pm

Have you made a decision regarding your rifle Vicko?
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 24 Oct 2019, 7:44 pm

Here is a nice Barnard if you are a lefty or if you can cycle the bolt with your left hand and shoot right handed.

https://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=161024
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by WookyMysta » 25 Oct 2019, 6:22 pm

Hi Vikko,

I was in the same position as you. I wanted a Tikka .308 as my pet hunting rifle for years. Then I stumbled upon the Lithgow la102.

I finally decided that the la102 with APC dool aloominum chassy (total gun porn) was the one.

RULE # 1..... Shoulder the rifle with your eyes closed and use the force. What ever FEELS best is what you drop your $$ on.

For me, the la102 APC was waaaay too heavy, even without a scope. It felt too short and didn't FIT properly. So I decided on la102 .308 Laminate.

With my eyes closed, and shouldering the rifle, it was the Goldilocks factor. JUST RITE. But each to there own.

Depends what you want to do with a rifle determines what you buy. Bench rest or hunting. That's why its called a Crossover.

If you want to shoot paper at long range, the Lithgow is a great choice without spending thousands and thousand of $$.

If you want an amazingly accurate rifle for hunting, its hard to go past the Lithgow.

The action of the Lithgow is as good, if not slightly better than a Tikka.

Shoulder the rifle, use the force, and buy the Lithgow. You won't regret it.

Just my $0.02.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 25 Oct 2019, 10:05 pm

WookyMysta wrote:Hi Vikko,
For me, the la102 APC was waaaay too heavy, even without a scope.

Just my $0.02.


Could you just work on your strength and conditioning? If you hunt in New Zealand I can understand cutting down the weight of your gear or hunt in thick scub. When shooting a bit of weight can be a benefit. It just takes a little more effort to lug it around.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by wannabustbunnies » 19 Nov 2019, 4:13 pm

If you get the chance I would highly recommend trying out a PRS shoot. I guess you are in Victoria going by your username, not sure what ranges run them there but I know the Mildura range does it.
No need to worry about certain calibres for classes and only using certain projectiles or any of that stuff, just up to 30 cal and 3200fps. We have had everything from guys with their hunting rifles in 222 right up to custom guns, just shoot what you have and have fun.
Shooting from barricades, tyres and unsteady positions is good practice for hunting/spotlighting and for me way more fun and practical than just prone firing.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 21 Nov 2019, 8:21 pm

wannabustbunnies wrote:If you get the chance I would highly recommend trying out a PRS shoot. I guess you are in Victoria going by your username, not sure what ranges run them there but I know the Mildura range does it.
No need to worry about certain calibres for classes and only using certain projectiles or any of that stuff, just up to 30 cal and 3200fps. We have had everything from guys with their hunting rifles in 222 right up to custom guns, just shoot what you have and have fun.
Shooting from barricades, tyres and unsteady positions is good practice for hunting/spotlighting and for me way more fun and practical than just prone firing.

What rifle and caliber are you using to compete in PRS?
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by sungazer » 21 Nov 2019, 8:51 pm

Dont confuse PRS with PSR The Precision Service Rifle matchs. These are shot from different positions such as sitting, Tripod ect and do have rapid fire ranges but it is not the PRS shot from barricades ect. I dont think there has been any followup competitions since the first couple.
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by wannabustbunnies » 22 Nov 2019, 4:50 pm

I use a Howa 6.5 Creedmoor in an MDT ACC chassis.
Our "PRS" style matches are run under SSAA NSW Practical Shooting at the range near Mudgee.
We use barricades, barrels, tyres, tripods etc and most stages are 8-10 rounds in 90 seconds just like PRS.
There is a national PRS competition that just recently had its finale in SA. There were events in Vic, SA and the NT, not sure if any were run in NSW or not
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Re: Hunting - Targetting crossover rifle

Post by SCJ429 » 30 Nov 2019, 10:05 pm

What about this work of art, in 6.5 Swede Improved.

https://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=162675
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