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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by rsj223 » 14 Feb 2017, 7:06 pm

Nice what scope
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by bladeracer » 14 Feb 2017, 7:12 pm

rsj223 wrote:Nice what scope



It's a Redfield Revolution 3-9x40, but I don't recommend it, particularly on a rimfire as it doesn't focus much under 50m.
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by Gwion » 15 Feb 2017, 11:54 am

Blade, i find velocitors a great little round for hunting out to 70-80m and is tight as at 50m in my T-bolt, but try grouping at 100m and they are completely useless.

PS: well done getting the sub MOA group. Good stuff at 100m! :drinks: :thumbsup:
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Post by bladeracer » 15 Feb 2017, 2:12 pm

Gwion wrote:Blade, i find velocitors a great little round for hunting out to 70-80m and is tight as at 50m in my T-bolt, but try grouping at 100m and they are completely useless.

PS: well done getting the sub MOA group. Good stuff at 100m! :drinks: :thumbsup:



That's about what I'd expected, having seen similar from other high-velocity stuff past about 70m.
Which is why I was so surprised by the group the Velocitors shot.
Way too windy today for any worthwhile testing :-(
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by matt » 22 Feb 2017, 7:46 pm

Took a trip to St Marys indoor center last week. Been shooting at Syndey International Center on a digital screen lately but its better to back to paper....
I shoot SK magazine only loading 5 in magazine, Ruger American with lightened trigger, 3-9 40 scope, bipod with no rear bag.
Next week is 6-24 50 scope and front rear bags.


Both groups were best of night 5 group sets at 50mtrs....
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by deye243 » 22 Feb 2017, 10:58 pm

went out to do some groups at 200 but the wind was a pain all swirly so went and found a spot on the lee

too try some old cci sub segmented and unfortunately the rifle loves them :( the good batch of winsubs

went good to but the latest batch of winsubs from my LGS are crap .

1st is cci sub segmented 2nd is the good batch of winsubs . all shot off the window sill off the hilux 8-)

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and 3rd and 4th are the latest batch of winsubs from my LGS

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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by bladeracer » 23 Feb 2017, 7:01 am

deye243 wrote:went out to do some groups at 200 but the wind was a pain all swirly so went and found a spot on the lee

too try some old cci sub segmented and unfortunately the rifle loves them :( the good batch of winsubs

went good to but the latest batch of winsubs from my LGS are crap .

1st is cci sub segmented 2nd is the good batch of winsubs . all shot off the window sill off the hilux 8-)

and 3rd and 4th are the latest batch of winsubs from my LGS



What range are they at?
I have shot some 200m groups but haven't had any totally windless opportunities. Even a constant wind would be good rather than the normal gusts we have here.
Groups of ten are holding around the 5" mark at 200m with the ammo I've tried so far. 1085fps Eley is dropping about 1220mm (20MoA) from a 100m zero. I finally swapped a Bushnell AR onto the Ruger Rimfire to get rid of the Redfield Revolution and I shimmed the rear so a subsonic 100m zero puts the turret near minimum elevation. This gives me about 90 clicks of elevation, about 22.5MoA, so I can now dial the scope right on out to 200m, plus I still have the BDC reticle for another 15MoA which should be very close at 270m with subsonic ammo. I'm waiting for a brick of Eley Edge to come in hopefully today.
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Post by bladeracer » 25 Feb 2017, 5:50 pm

Had a very good day with only some light breezes for a change.
I shot ten-round groups with 21 types of ammo today at 100m, after swapping the Redfield Revolution 3-9x40 for the Bushnell AR Optics 4.5-18x40.
All 21 groups were shot with no scope adjustment at the centre of each target, except for the CCI Quiet (600mm holdover - the top row of tape) and the Shorts (aimed at the target to the left).
In order from smallest to largest group:
Eley Club - 37.5mm
RWS Rifle Match - 53mm
Eley Subsonic HP - 56mm
CCI Subsonic Segmented HP - 58.6mm
RWS HVHP - 67mm
Highland RX HP - 68mm
Remington Cyclone - 68.2mm
CCI Stinger - 74mm
CCI Standard Velocity - 75mm
Winchester Subsonic Max 42 - 79mm
Federal American Eagle HP - 79mm
CCI Velocitor - 87mm
CCI MiniMag HP - 96.8mm
Sellier & Bellot Standard - 100mm (I shot these during the week)
Remington Subsonic-22 - 102mm
Winchester PowerPoint 42 - 103mm
Winchester T22 - 139mm
CCI Quiet Segmented HP - 147mm (600mm drop)
Winchester Super-X Short - 148mm (140mm to the right)
ICI Civic Long - Approx. 300mm
Winchester Long-Z - Approx. 300mm
CCI Copper-22 - Approx. 600mm (sprayed everywhere)

After shooting the groups, I zeroed the scope to the CCI Standard Velocity and put five rounds on a target - dropping them into 18.4mm!!!!!!
Then I removed the scope and replaced it before dropping five more rounds on the target below it to see how far zero would move. The first three rounds dropped into a lovely 16mm triangle, but 28mm away at five-o'clock. The next two drifted upward opening the group to 50.8mm but bringing point of impact back to where it was.

The Copper-22's were a disaster. I'm guessing they might work better in an unlubed bore, which would probably dictate _only_ using poly bullets in it. Complete waste of money for me unfortunately. Surprisingly, I recovered two of these bullets from the clay bank, completely undeformed so I can't imagine them being a very effective hunting round. I'll try these again at closer ranges and see if perhaps they shoot better.

I'll restock with some more types and hopefully test shoot some more next week.
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by Presson » 25 Feb 2017, 6:45 pm

Haven't been to the range for a while but here's one from a while back. A long while back it seems!

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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by KennyA » 27 Feb 2017, 4:20 am

I tried out some new ammo yesterday in my CZ452 Varmint.
RWS Subsonic HP
Distance was 50 meters
Wind...15kph across the range and a shower of rain.
Shows some promise for better accuracy in prefect conditions.

Its my first time using the RWS brand. I don't see it very often in our local gun shops.

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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by in2anity » 05 Mar 2017, 12:05 pm

LA101 @ 50m, Lumley spring kit, CCI SV:

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It'll shoot like this all day long (if you have the stamina for it!)
At what point does lack of maintenance become patina?
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by Wylie27 » 03 Jun 2017, 5:41 pm

Hey,

Not really groups.. but I was getting reacquainted with my Lithgow Crossover LA101 as I have been shooting pistols for a bit.

This was my third target for the night and my first shot of the string.
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Then moving on to my 4th target and first shot

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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by Mitch@Ripley » 21 Oct 2017, 8:05 pm

Sh***t, I'll post a piccy if I can find the target, my best group with the LA101 was under 1/4 in at 50 meters, I know this may not be the best in the world but god I was proud of myself. Shot with SK Rifle Match.
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by eddahenry » 31 Jan 2018, 12:31 am

5 shot
BR50 ,at 50m thing is insane
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by Gamerancher » 31 Jan 2018, 9:27 am

Some of the "measured" groups on here need to be re-measured correctly.
Some pretty small numbers there for groups which are clearly not that small. :allegedly:
Have a look at Presson's post above for how to measure a group.
Maximum outside measurement minus bullet diameter = group size.
You're only kidding yourself by not doing this. :drinks:
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by Gwion » 31 Jan 2018, 9:45 am

Yep. I use calipers and zero them on a bullet before measuring to outer edges of the widest two shots in the group.
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by eddahenry » 31 Jan 2018, 10:36 am

Gwion wrote:Yep. I use calipers and zero them on a bullet before measuring to outer edges of the widest two shots in the group.

never thought of zeroing on the bullet ,, thats a tops idea
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by Gwion » 31 Jan 2018, 10:52 am

Bloody fliers!

Quite happy with the aggregate groups of the four rounds into each corner mark, though!

9 rounds on each card, 5 at center, one round into each corner mark.

Browing T-bolt 22lr, 4-12x44 Vortex Diamondback AO. CCI Velocitor.
Groups shot while tuning action screws so i keep them on a pin board for reference.

The "Clubs" was 4 rounds into 0.18 and the the flier blew it out. :thumbsdown:

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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by anthillinside » 10 Feb 2018, 3:18 pm

My best in 2017
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Best of the best
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Post by Gwion » 11 Feb 2018, 1:15 pm

Noice :thumbsup:
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Post by brett1868 » 15 Feb 2018, 5:59 pm

My son shot this a month ago using my Lithgow 22Mag and CCI ammo at a distance of 50m. He's a lefty shooting a r/H rifle and due to his size the butt stock is under his arm. Not a bad effort from the young fella, since then I've bought him a L/H 22LR and he's only getting better....

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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by bigrich » 15 Feb 2018, 6:10 pm

brett1868 wrote:My son shot this a month ago using my Lithgow 22Mag and CCI ammo at a distance of 50m. He's a lefty shooting a r/H rifle and due to his size the butt stock is under his arm. Not a bad effort from the young fella, since then I've bought him a L/H 22LR and he's only getting better....

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that's really freakin good out of 22 mag. i cant shoot groups that well out of my weihrauch 22 mag. lithgow hey ?
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by brett1868 » 15 Feb 2018, 6:47 pm

bigrich wrote:
brett1868 wrote:My son shot this a month ago using my Lithgow 22Mag and CCI ammo at a distance of 50m. He's a lefty shooting a r/H rifle and due to his size the butt stock is under his arm. Not a bad effort from the young fella, since then I've bought him a L/H 22LR and he's only getting better....

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that's really freakin good out of 22 mag. i cant shoot groups that well out of my weihrauch 22 mag. lithgow hey ?


I have to hand it to Lithgow Arms, this is one beautiful looking and accurate rifle.

The boy on his first shots 2 mths ago.
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Recently with the L/H Savage I bought him
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by lee_enfield223 » 15 Feb 2018, 7:10 pm

got a Lilja barrel fitted to my Anschutz 1416HB and it's now shooting better than ever but it took a while to get right and it loves Lapua, also SK all the groups were shot at 50m, great video of your youngster learning how to shoot
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Post by brett1868 » 15 Feb 2018, 7:25 pm

lee_enfield223 wrote:got a Lilja barrel fitted to my Anschutz 1416HB and it's now shooting better than ever but it took a while to get right and it loves Lapua, also SK all the groups were shot at 50m, great video of your youngster learning how to shoot


The little bugger actually beat me a couple weeks ago....I've been shooting 43yrs and had my ass handed to me by a 12yr old with 3 weeks experience :( Lilja make some awesome barrels and I'm not surprised with those tiny groups, I run a Lilja barrel on my comp 50 and it gets better every comp.
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by bladeracer » 18 Feb 2018, 3:09 pm

Picked up some Eley Standard Bulk 500 Pack the other day to try.
100m (actually 102m) with a very light breeze from right to left, and pretty hot.
Only one group was really messed up due to wind when some gusts came through right-to-left.
Groups were shot pretty fast to maintain the wind conditions (about one shot every 8-12 seconds on the video).
I cleaned the bore last night with 956rds down it since the last clean.
I shot them alongside Eley Edge and CCI Std Vel for comparison - no batching, just randomly pulled.
Best 5rd groups of the session were CCI SV at 25mm and 29.5mm. Average of ten groups was 46.75mm (185% of the smallest group).
Best Eley Standard group was 30.5mm with an average of 54.5mm (180% of the smallest group) - I dropped the cold/clean bore group and the group that was shot in significant crosswind.
Best Eley Edge group was 38.5mm with an average across eight groups of 51.4mm (133% of the smallest group).
So the 40-cent Eley Edge still gives the most consistent group sizes, but doesn't quite get as tight as the 11-cent CCI SV.
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by sungazer » 18 Feb 2018, 3:18 pm

lee_enfield223 wrote:got a Lilja barrel fitted to my Anschutz 1416HB and it's now shooting better than ever but it took a while to get right and it loves Lapua, also SK all the groups were shot at 50m, great video of your youngster learning how to shoot


Thats a beautiful piece of wood on that stock. A different profile to a lot of the Anschutz as well. When talking with Cameron from Hatchers rifle stocks he commented on the number of different profiles they had, He couldn't keep up or a new profile to him kept popping up. He tries to keep blanks of all the stocks so he can make replacements for customers.
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by lee_enfield223 » 18 Feb 2018, 3:30 pm

sungazer wrote:
lee_enfield223 wrote:got a Lilja barrel fitted to my Anschutz 1416HB and it's now shooting better than ever but it took a while to get right and it loves Lapua, also SK all the groups were shot at 50m, great video of your youngster learning how to shoot


Thats a beautiful piece of wood on that stock. A different profile to a lot of the Anschutz as well. When talking with Cameron from Hatchers rifle stocks he commented on the number of different profiles they had, He couldn't keep up or a new profile to him kept popping up. He tries to keep blanks of all the stocks so he can make replacements for customers.

Thanks for you kind words about the stock,,funny thing in the shop it looked very plain but in the sun the figure comes right out, the rifle with it's original barrel was barely a 1/2' performer with target ammo at 50m, the trigger was great,the wood was very nice but I wanted more, as shown above, also the accuracy from that ruger's not too bad at 100m
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Post by sungazer » 18 Feb 2018, 4:02 pm

Blade is on a mission practicing every day, what is it Bladeracer a 100 every day. Practice really makes a difference so well done BR but we are or at least I am sort of expecting to see great results and getting better all the time. I am sure he will tell you the difference the practice has made especially for the off hand shooting. That is a skill that really does take practice.
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Feb 2018, 6:50 pm

sungazer wrote:Blade is on a mission practicing every day, what is it Bladeracer a 100 every day. Practice really makes a difference so well done BR but we are or at least I am sort of expecting to see great results and getting better all the time. I am sure he will tell you the difference the practice has made especially for the off hand shooting. That is a skill that really does take practice.


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100 rounds every day minimum is the goal I set myself, 5449rds after today's effort. Unfortunately I have had to miss a couple of days due to other commitments, five days I think that I haven't been able to shoot this year.

I'm never going to make a target shooter, I just don't have that commitment or interest in competition, but I really wanted to significantly improve my offhand and non-scope shooting. Silhouette requires both so it just seemed like a good incentive to make it happen :-)

My last Norinco practice on the silhouettes gave me 62 hits from 120rds. That's a fifteen-round tube onto each silhouette facing in both directions. But it's really not a significant improvement over where I was six weeks ago (36/75). My best ever on the turkey is eight hits from fifteen rounds.

I think right now I am shooting better than my Norinco JW21 allows me to. If I take a bolt rifle out with iron sights I can hit all four silhouettes with boring consistency, provided I concentrate of course :-)

Off the bench with iron sights, the Norinco just barely maintains the minimum accuracy required to hit the silhouettes, so any error in sight picture is probably a miss. If you can launch every round perfectly on target, then the rifle only needs to be able to maintain around 5MoA offhand to score. When the rifle only holds 5-6MoA, then even very slight errors in sight picture will miss. With a scope, off the bench, the JW21 can achieve around 2MoA out to 100m, so the rifle itself is adequately capable I think. If I shoot a bolt rifle my groups improve significantly, so I'm left to assume the restriction is in the trigger, my sight picture, and/or my ergonomics (hold and/or cheek weld).

The trigger break and feel is not great so I have another hammer and trigger that I can try to clean up.

To improve my sight picture I'm awaiting another Williams peep sight with target knobs, and a Lyman front sight with replaceable inserts - it's still in Customs but hopefully I'll get it this week. This should allow me to dial the sight in to a specific point on each silhouette, which I'm hoping will help. My groups are approaching the required ballparks, but I'm not placing them over the right area of the targets.

For the ergonomics I'll wait until I have the new sights before I build up the comb to give a consistent weld. I'm trying to float the barrel, which was the main reason I cut another mag tube down to five rounds, since that's all you're allowed to load for silhouette anyway. I next want to attach the fore end and mag tube directly to the receiver and disconnect both from the barrel. That way any variance in my hold should have no effect on the barrel.

Overall though, I'm just having tons of fun :-)
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