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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by anthillinside » 10 Feb 2018, 3:18 pm

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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by Gwion » 11 Feb 2018, 1:15 pm

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Post by brett1868 » 15 Feb 2018, 5:59 pm

My son shot this a month ago using my Lithgow 22Mag and CCI ammo at a distance of 50m. He's a lefty shooting a r/H rifle and due to his size the butt stock is under his arm. Not a bad effort from the young fella, since then I've bought him a L/H 22LR and he's only getting better....

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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by bigrich » 15 Feb 2018, 6:10 pm

brett1868 wrote:My son shot this a month ago using my Lithgow 22Mag and CCI ammo at a distance of 50m. He's a lefty shooting a r/H rifle and due to his size the butt stock is under his arm. Not a bad effort from the young fella, since then I've bought him a L/H 22LR and he's only getting better....

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that's really freakin good out of 22 mag. i cant shoot groups that well out of my weihrauch 22 mag. lithgow hey ?
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Post by brett1868 » 15 Feb 2018, 6:47 pm

bigrich wrote:
brett1868 wrote:My son shot this a month ago using my Lithgow 22Mag and CCI ammo at a distance of 50m. He's a lefty shooting a r/H rifle and due to his size the butt stock is under his arm. Not a bad effort from the young fella, since then I've bought him a L/H 22LR and he's only getting better....

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that's really freakin good out of 22 mag. i cant shoot groups that well out of my weihrauch 22 mag. lithgow hey ?


I have to hand it to Lithgow Arms, this is one beautiful looking and accurate rifle.

The boy on his first shots 2 mths ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG-ALjRI0_4

Recently with the L/H Savage I bought him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI_I_VT2r1g
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by lee_enfield223 » 15 Feb 2018, 7:10 pm

got a Lilja barrel fitted to my Anschutz 1416HB and it's now shooting better than ever but it took a while to get right and it loves Lapua, also SK all the groups were shot at 50m, great video of your youngster learning how to shoot
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Post by brett1868 » 15 Feb 2018, 7:25 pm

lee_enfield223 wrote:got a Lilja barrel fitted to my Anschutz 1416HB and it's now shooting better than ever but it took a while to get right and it loves Lapua, also SK all the groups were shot at 50m, great video of your youngster learning how to shoot


The little bugger actually beat me a couple weeks ago....I've been shooting 43yrs and had my ass handed to me by a 12yr old with 3 weeks experience :( Lilja make some awesome barrels and I'm not surprised with those tiny groups, I run a Lilja barrel on my comp 50 and it gets better every comp.
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by bladeracer » 18 Feb 2018, 3:09 pm

Picked up some Eley Standard Bulk 500 Pack the other day to try.
100m (actually 102m) with a very light breeze from right to left, and pretty hot.
Only one group was really messed up due to wind when some gusts came through right-to-left.
Groups were shot pretty fast to maintain the wind conditions (about one shot every 8-12 seconds on the video).
I cleaned the bore last night with 956rds down it since the last clean.
I shot them alongside Eley Edge and CCI Std Vel for comparison - no batching, just randomly pulled.
Best 5rd groups of the session were CCI SV at 25mm and 29.5mm. Average of ten groups was 46.75mm (185% of the smallest group).
Best Eley Standard group was 30.5mm with an average of 54.5mm (180% of the smallest group) - I dropped the cold/clean bore group and the group that was shot in significant crosswind.
Best Eley Edge group was 38.5mm with an average across eight groups of 51.4mm (133% of the smallest group).
So the 40-cent Eley Edge still gives the most consistent group sizes, but doesn't quite get as tight as the 11-cent CCI SV.
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by sungazer » 18 Feb 2018, 3:18 pm

lee_enfield223 wrote:got a Lilja barrel fitted to my Anschutz 1416HB and it's now shooting better than ever but it took a while to get right and it loves Lapua, also SK all the groups were shot at 50m, great video of your youngster learning how to shoot


Thats a beautiful piece of wood on that stock. A different profile to a lot of the Anschutz as well. When talking with Cameron from Hatchers rifle stocks he commented on the number of different profiles they had, He couldn't keep up or a new profile to him kept popping up. He tries to keep blanks of all the stocks so he can make replacements for customers.
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Post by lee_enfield223 » 18 Feb 2018, 3:30 pm

sungazer wrote:
lee_enfield223 wrote:got a Lilja barrel fitted to my Anschutz 1416HB and it's now shooting better than ever but it took a while to get right and it loves Lapua, also SK all the groups were shot at 50m, great video of your youngster learning how to shoot


Thats a beautiful piece of wood on that stock. A different profile to a lot of the Anschutz as well. When talking with Cameron from Hatchers rifle stocks he commented on the number of different profiles they had, He couldn't keep up or a new profile to him kept popping up. He tries to keep blanks of all the stocks so he can make replacements for customers.

Thanks for you kind words about the stock,,funny thing in the shop it looked very plain but in the sun the figure comes right out, the rifle with it's original barrel was barely a 1/2' performer with target ammo at 50m, the trigger was great,the wood was very nice but I wanted more, as shown above, also the accuracy from that ruger's not too bad at 100m
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Post by sungazer » 18 Feb 2018, 4:02 pm

Blade is on a mission practicing every day, what is it Bladeracer a 100 every day. Practice really makes a difference so well done BR but we are or at least I am sort of expecting to see great results and getting better all the time. I am sure he will tell you the difference the practice has made especially for the off hand shooting. That is a skill that really does take practice.
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Feb 2018, 6:50 pm

sungazer wrote:Blade is on a mission practicing every day, what is it Bladeracer a 100 every day. Practice really makes a difference so well done BR but we are or at least I am sort of expecting to see great results and getting better all the time. I am sure he will tell you the difference the practice has made especially for the off hand shooting. That is a skill that really does take practice.


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100 rounds every day minimum is the goal I set myself, 5449rds after today's effort. Unfortunately I have had to miss a couple of days due to other commitments, five days I think that I haven't been able to shoot this year.

I'm never going to make a target shooter, I just don't have that commitment or interest in competition, but I really wanted to significantly improve my offhand and non-scope shooting. Silhouette requires both so it just seemed like a good incentive to make it happen :-)

My last Norinco practice on the silhouettes gave me 62 hits from 120rds. That's a fifteen-round tube onto each silhouette facing in both directions. But it's really not a significant improvement over where I was six weeks ago (36/75). My best ever on the turkey is eight hits from fifteen rounds.

I think right now I am shooting better than my Norinco JW21 allows me to. If I take a bolt rifle out with iron sights I can hit all four silhouettes with boring consistency, provided I concentrate of course :-)

Off the bench with iron sights, the Norinco just barely maintains the minimum accuracy required to hit the silhouettes, so any error in sight picture is probably a miss. If you can launch every round perfectly on target, then the rifle only needs to be able to maintain around 5MoA offhand to score. When the rifle only holds 5-6MoA, then even very slight errors in sight picture will miss. With a scope, off the bench, the JW21 can achieve around 2MoA out to 100m, so the rifle itself is adequately capable I think. If I shoot a bolt rifle my groups improve significantly, so I'm left to assume the restriction is in the trigger, my sight picture, and/or my ergonomics (hold and/or cheek weld).

The trigger break and feel is not great so I have another hammer and trigger that I can try to clean up.

To improve my sight picture I'm awaiting another Williams peep sight with target knobs, and a Lyman front sight with replaceable inserts - it's still in Customs but hopefully I'll get it this week. This should allow me to dial the sight in to a specific point on each silhouette, which I'm hoping will help. My groups are approaching the required ballparks, but I'm not placing them over the right area of the targets.

For the ergonomics I'll wait until I have the new sights before I build up the comb to give a consistent weld. I'm trying to float the barrel, which was the main reason I cut another mag tube down to five rounds, since that's all you're allowed to load for silhouette anyway. I next want to attach the fore end and mag tube directly to the receiver and disconnect both from the barrel. That way any variance in my hold should have no effect on the barrel.

Overall though, I'm just having tons of fun :-)
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Post by sungazer » 18 Feb 2018, 7:32 pm

Listening to what you say is very interesting on several points. The main one being the influence of the type of action. Is it all the action or some of those other points such as any influences on the barrel. I mean there are specific target actions built for the purpose however I think that there is a general consensus that the action only has about 20% and the barrel itself as 80% of the influence on the accuracy of the rifle. Sure there are other factors such as optics (general term to include iron sights) and the stock. Because the bullet is really 99% inside the chamber which is inside the barrel. I know there are exceptions but just for arguments sake the bullet is firmly held by the barrel. So why the significant difference.Clearly I am wrong in my thinking somewhere.
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Feb 2018, 8:00 pm

sungazer wrote:Listening to what you say is very interesting on several points. The main one being the influence of the type of action. Is it all the action or some of those other points such as any influences on the barrel. I mean there are specific target actions built for the purpose however I think that there is a general consensus that the action only has about 20% and the barrel itself as 80% of the influence on the accuracy of the rifle. Sure there are other factors such as optics (general term to include iron sights) and the stock. Because the bullet is really 99% inside the chamber which is inside the barrel. I know there are exceptions but just for arguments sake the bullet is firmly held by the barrel. So why the significant difference.Clearly I am wrong in my thinking somewhere.


Some things that matter are how rigidly the barrel is fixed in the receiver, how precisely the bore is aligned with the bolt face, and how rigidly the bolt is locked up. I doubt a rimfire is likely to be a problem though. With a scope, off the bench, the Norinco is not far behind my Rugers in its accuracy potential, but removing it from the bench the Norinco's ergonomics do not provide as good a platform. There is apparently a version with a pistol-grip butt stock which might well be better.
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by lee_enfield223 » 19 Feb 2018, 11:21 am

I would never make a stand up shooter so would do poorly on rams,chickens,etc,,, I have won heaps of military rifle matches over the years and I agree it all comes down to practise, even if you miss one target but hit all the others you still might win ! , before the Big military rifle Queens(not rainbow) shoot in sydney when it was run, shooters came from all over Australia and even from the USA to shoot it, and I found because of the three position shooting I am now much better out in the field, also I found that you don't have to shoot live rounds to get better, I used to have a rifle setup to dry fire only! and before a big match I used to spend 1 hour every night dry firing in the three positions for about 1 month before a big match.aiming at a half size target on the wall,,,bradman gave me that idea !!!! LOL I figured if he can do it with a stump I can do it with a smaller target.
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by bigrich » 25 Feb 2018, 5:47 pm

shot these at ripley this afternoon in the rain with my old 1960's krico 22lr and zeiss 4-12x42 scope at 50
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Re: Show us your Rimfire Groups!

Post by bigrich » 25 Feb 2018, 5:54 pm

trusty old krico 22lr. shoots as good as my cz452 2E at the moment. wobbly old trigger an all......
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Post by bigrich » 25 Feb 2018, 5:59 pm

dunno why the other krico photo came out upside down , stupid I phones
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