Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 03 Mar 2016, 4:08 pm

It has been said that many of the soldier (US) serving in 'nam, were actually firing 'high' to purposefully miss..... peace love and stuff, dont kill....and all that, maybe thats why thing didnt turn out 'so well'..
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by Manimal » 11 Mar 2016, 11:06 am

happyhunter wrote:The military started using silhouette targets because back during WW2 they found most soldiers were not aiming at anything. Using human silhouette targets helped to overcome that psychological barrier that made it difficult to shoot at another person.


I can't remember the exact number but it was somewhere in the order of thousands of rounds shot per kill because of soldiers deliberately missing.
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by Gwion » 11 Mar 2016, 12:19 pm

The club has settled on using standard targets but shooting timed exposures instead. A couple of people nervous about negative PR.
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by Diesel » 15 Mar 2016, 12:24 pm

Gwion wrote:It's a target rifle club. Not SSAA affiliate. We were discussing the ANZAC Day shoot and the question was asked re: issues using military targets, so I said I'd look into it from legal and other angles. I'll chat with other members and exec again on Saturday.


Most NRAA clubs still use the charging man target for .303 shoots?
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 15 Mar 2016, 1:19 pm

Do you mean this type?
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by VICHunter » 15 Mar 2016, 1:48 pm

What is that supposed to be? :unknown:
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 15 Mar 2016, 2:36 pm

VICHunter wrote:What is that supposed to be? :unknown:


I didnt really want to say....

But I suspect a 457 visa worker employed in strawberry picking :unknown:
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by Gwion » 15 Mar 2016, 4:31 pm

Yeah, fig. 12 is still a go but the Pres and Sec of the club both mentioned concern on the PR side, so..... best keep everyone happy. Timed exposures is also a typical service rifle thing so it ties in.
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 15 Mar 2016, 4:38 pm

still concerned?? But this is like the most PC of PC military silhouette??

(just quietly I think they're marsh mellow grade soft)

Sack them. If they wear a cardy they should go!
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Post by Gwion » 15 Mar 2016, 4:49 pm

The above is type 2, no???

Fig 12 is charging helmeted soldier?

Anyway, we spoke about using the above target but in my view it's just a bit, well.... pointless. May as well just have a round bull and timed exposures.

Everyone keeps changing their minds so just go with what everyone can say yes to and stick with it.
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 15 Mar 2016, 4:56 pm

Who cares..... at 300m I can barely make out the frame anyway :lol: may as well be a white blank mass
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by Redwood » 16 Mar 2016, 10:00 am

VICHunter wrote:What is that supposed to be? :unknown:


Prone soldier? Helmet and shoulders? :unknown:
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by Gwion » 16 Mar 2016, 12:16 pm

Redwood wrote:
VICHunter wrote:What is that supposed to be? :unknown:


Prone soldier? Helmet and shoulders? :unknown:


Yep.
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by No1Mk3 » 16 Mar 2016, 12:59 pm

The target Genesis posted is a Type C target that CSD use for most comps. Whilst it suggests a Brodie helmet at an angle it is vague enough to keep the wowsers quiet, Cheers.
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 16 Mar 2016, 1:11 pm

Why they'd use their own/British helmet for a target.... I dont know, maybe the original pc brigade decided it was best to prevent the 'enemy' from complaining post conflict...
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Post by No1Mk3 » 16 Mar 2016, 3:57 pm

Funnily enough our "enemies" post conflict, Japan and Germany, are now our allies and our allies, Russia and China, are viewed as enemies. It will be interesting to see the faces of surviving Diggers when the Jap submarine coming to visit enters Sydney Harbour replete with flag.
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 16 Mar 2016, 4:55 pm

Our allies? we, or I should say the USA, still occupies them, they are occupied peoples.
The Soviets and Chinese Coms were created by the US/UK...
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Post by Wheelbarrow » 17 Mar 2016, 11:11 am

No1Mk3 wrote:Whilst it suggests a Brodie helmet at an angle it is vague enough to keep the wowsers quiet, Cheers.


Quiet? Have they stopped complaining about the other million things they hate? lol
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Post by Diesel » 16 Aug 2016, 1:37 pm

So did you go ahead with the Anzac day shoot in the end?
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by Gwion » 16 Aug 2016, 2:50 pm

Yeah, we did. Just in club as a practice match. Next year we'll open it up to some open entries. Was all s bit of fun.
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by Gaznazdiak » 16 Jul 2017, 10:56 am

More Nanny State mentality.
Some think this is all post Port Arthur hysteria, but this "can't have something scary looking" bollocks has been with us for decades.
Back in the 80s Calico released a carbine style rifle with a helical magazine (100rd .22, 50rd 9mm) mounted above the action.
I asked the local licensing sergeant if these were ok, thinking the pistol grip might be a problem.
They were banned, he told me, not because of the grip, nor the mag capacity, not even because it was semi-auto.
It was banned because, in silhouette, the loud end resembled that of an M16. I sh*t yoy not.
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by WatchyShooter » 16 Jul 2017, 5:14 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:More Nanny State mentality.
Some think this is all post Port Arthur hysteria, but this "can't have something scary looking" bollocks has been with us for decades.
Back in the 80s Calico released a carbine style rifle with a helical magazine (100rd .22, 50rd 9mm) mounted above the action.
I asked the local licensing sergeant if these were ok, thinking the pistol grip might be a problem.
They were banned, he told me, not because of the grip, nor the mag capacity, not even because it was semi-auto.
It was banned because, in silhouette, the loud end resembled that of an M16. I sh*t yoy not.


That’s so BS, I’m really sick and tired of the “appearance” of a chosen firearm rendering it illegal or heavily restricted when it should be caliber, mag capacity & action type that are used to judge a firearms categorie, it’s also sad that SSAA just bend over to antis and enforce things outside of the law just to save face, SSAA are just (from a young shooters perspective) a bunch of old shooters whom don’t want to push fowards and challenge laws, hows that gone so far?
I get the “dont rock the boat” mentality, but that’s not wanted or needed in this day and age, for too long we’ve been at the whims of antis and more, the time to stand and fight is now, Antis know it, and it’s why there Running and hiding

How do SSAA ever expect to be able to argue on behalf of shooters when they kneel for antis requests for things outside of the requirements of the law.
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by Gwion » 16 Jul 2017, 6:53 pm

Yeah. We sorted something out and used for the ANZAC shoot this year as well.
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by WatchyShooter » 16 Jul 2017, 7:29 pm

Gwion wrote:Yeah. We sorted something out and used for the ANZAC shoot this year as well.


Can’t see anyone kicking up a fuss about those targets, maybe if it was open to the public and such
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Re: Using Military Targets: yes, no, maybe?

Post by Gwion » 16 Jul 2017, 7:37 pm

It was originally a concern brought up by some club members about using human image targets. I thought I would ask the forum for opinions. Really not worth getting any knickers in a knot. We sorted it out with a traditional helmet and shoulders target.
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