sungazer wrote:There really is no reason for a 338L other than I want one the 300WM really is more than enough for anything other than very specialized competitions. Which there are only a couple of each year in the entire country.
Archie wrote:Someone gave me a really good rule once. I think it makes a lot of sense.
You take a dinner plate sized target. You take one box of ammo. You use the stance you are likely to use in the field - i.e. off hand standing, kneeling, tree/fence as a rest etc - not a bench, and probably not prone unless you know that's how you will be placed. If so, fair enough.
You shoot the full box. When you can - without having shot earlier in the day and getting your eye in, with a cold barrel etc - get 19 of those 20 rounds in a dinner plate - you have your ethical hunting range. Because that says that under field conditions you have a 95% chance of a clean kill shot.
(edit - and some people would say a dinner plate is too big. Guess it depends on the animal, and on the plate).
Archie wrote:Someone gave me a really good rule once. I think it makes a lot of sense.
You take a dinner plate sized target. You take one box of ammo. You use the stance you are likely to use in the field - i.e. off hand standing, kneeling, tree/fence as a rest etc - not a bench, and probably not prone unless you know that's how you will be placed. If so, fair enough.
You shoot the full box. When you can - without having shot earlier in the day and getting your eye in, with a cold barrel etc - get 19 of those 20 rounds in a dinner plate - you have your ethical hunting range. Because that says that under field conditions you have a 95% chance of a clean kill shot.
(edit - and some people would say a dinner plate is too big. Guess it depends on the animal, and on the plate).
Archie wrote:Someone gave me a really good rule once. I think it makes a lot of sense.
You take a dinner plate sized target. You take one box of ammo. You use the stance you are likely to use in the field - i.e. off hand standing, kneeling, tree/fence as a rest etc - not a bench, and probably not prone unless you know that's how you will be placed. If so, fair enough.
You shoot the full box. When you can - without having shot earlier in the day and getting your eye in, with a cold barrel etc - get 19 of those 20 rounds in a dinner plate - you have your ethical hunting range. Because that says that under field conditions you have a 95% chance of a clean kill shot.
(edit - and some people would say a dinner plate is too big. Guess it depends on the animal, and on the plate).
sungazer wrote:Most Target shooting is done with a 308 or less in the F open where they can choose any claibre they want for shooting 1000yrds most go for 6.5's and 7s not 30's and defitnatley not the magnums. they just dot have the shootability, recoil, shock wave and other factors detract from accuracy, for shot after shot performance. Ok for a one or two shots but not 36.
Get to know your 308 and on a day with not too much wind I can hit dinner plates no problem at 700. Given reasonable conditions I would not hesitate to take a Sambar at 500-600 with a 185 in a 308.
bladeracer wrote:sungazer wrote:Most Target shooting is done with a 308 or less in the F open where they can choose any claibre they want for shooting 1000yrds most go for 6.5's and 7s not 30's and defitnatley not the magnums. they just dot have the shootability, recoil, shock wave and other factors detract from accuracy, for shot after shot performance. Ok for a one or two shots but not 36.
Get to know your 308 and on a day with not too much wind I can hit dinner plates no problem at 700. Given reasonable conditions I would not hesitate to take a Sambar at 500-600 with a 185 in a 308.
Target shooting is not hunting. The heavy recoil for one or two shots a week is a small trade for more terminal performance.
bladeracer wrote:sungazer wrote:Most Target shooting is done with a 308 or less in the F open where they can choose any claibre they want for shooting 1000yrds most go for 6.5's and 7s not 30's and defitnatley not the magnums. they just dot have the shootability, recoil, shock wave and other factors detract from accuracy, for shot after shot performance. Ok for a one or two shots but not 36.
Get to know your 308 and on a day with not too much wind I can hit dinner plates no problem at 700. Given reasonable conditions I would not hesitate to take a Sambar at 500-600 with a 185 in a 308.
Target shooting is not hunting. The heavy recoil for one or two shots a week is a small trade for more terminal performance.
in2anity wrote:bladeracer wrote:Target shooting is not hunting. The heavy recoil for one or two shots a week is a small trade for more terminal performance.
Sure the 300wm might hit harder on paper, but the 308w kills things, I mean really kills things dead, too much so in fact, fist size holes if it hits bone Dunno I just see 300wm as overkill in the field. Just IMO of course.
Lumbajak wrote:600 metres is a looong shot on a living creature.
Personally I would like to be sure of 1 Moa accuracy in the field in any conditions to achieve this on any animal.
Archie wrote:Not that I want to keep e-beating up on this poor guy, because he was only asking a simple question. But something else did occur to me today.
The other issue with long range hunting is not only that the potential for wounding increases with distance. Its also, that if you have to go and find a wounded animal because it ran off, the first issue is usually getting to where you last saw it and trying to find some blood etc. Pigs etc.. well, if I'm honest I might not care too much in that case, hypocrite that I am. But I think in most cases, you're going to want to try at least.
And in many parts of Oz - not all of course - there doesn't seem to be a 300m stretch where that doesn't involve at least a gully and frequently a lot more. So if you bugger it up at >500m, then you can easily be a 30+ minutes hike away from getting to where you need to start to do the proper work. I've never hunted sambar, but if half of what people tell me is true, then I suspect a badly-hit sambar will be in the next state by that time.
scoobs wrote:22LR. because LR = Long Range right?