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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by bladeracer » 02 Mar 2018, 11:32 am

Gamerancher wrote:Just shoot cast lead at moderate velocities and you can get away with 10mm mild for all of your swingers.


I've been thinking of getting a sheet of 10mm mild just to see how it withstands 240gn JHP at 1700fps. It would certainly be useful if mild is sufficient. Actually, I have a piece of 410UB that has 8mm web and 13mm flanges I can use for some testing. A 180gn cast lead bullet in 8x57mm at 2500fps went straight through the web at 50m though :-)
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by bladeracer » 02 Mar 2018, 11:42 am

Got some revised numbers back just now.
Half-scale, two of each animal, in Bisalloy450, all 6mm except the chicken which is 10mm - $848+GST.
Compared to:
"A set of eight half-scale targets (two of each animal) in 6mm mild steel is $230+GST".
Allowing for the two chickens being 66% thicker, it seems the biggest difference between Bisalloy450 and mild steel is about three times the price.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by bladeracer » 02 Mar 2018, 11:43 am

Strikey wrote:Bladeracer, PM sent.......finally :drinks:


Hasn't arrived as yet, Strikey.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by Gamerancher » 02 Mar 2018, 12:26 pm

Yep, bisalloy is ridiculously expensive. My mild steel targets have copped a pizzling and are still going strong. They've been hit been with everything from .22LR to .45/90 Win. Cast bullets with velocities kept under 1700f/s.
I did try a cast load out of the .300 Whisper ( or .300 Blackout for the tacticool-mob ), it cratered the 200m target, not chronied, so velocity unknown. I was surprised with that one.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by Sarco » 02 Mar 2018, 9:45 pm

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Sarco wrote:I am not sure, but there may be differences in the targets for the 2 governing bodies for Met Sihouette, being IMSSU (PA affiliated) and IHMSA (SSAA Affiliated)

I cannot attach the IMSSU Rules(*pdf file), however Google IMSSU Rules and IHMSA Rules will give results.

Both of these have target design parameters in them


Thanks Sarco. I got some data from the IHMSA as Handgun Silhouette refers us to them. Hadn't heard of IMSSU though. What classes of competition do PA run here?


I must admit that I am not sure on PA (VAPA) Clubs which shoot MS here (Vic), but there are a number of interstate clubs shooting it and and also Aust representative teams travel to International Comps primarily in Europe. IHMSA primarily I believe into USA.
With the range of comps, they can cover virtually everything:
Rimfire:
100M, Standing, Production, Revolver, Any Sight, (I think there is also a 50M version as well)
Centrefire:
Field Pistol (100M) Standing Only, production, anysight
Big Bore (200M) Standing, Production, Revolver, Any Sight.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by Strikey » 03 Mar 2018, 5:06 am

bladeracer wrote:
Strikey wrote:Bladeracer, PM sent.......finally :drinks:


Hasn't arrived as yet, Strikey.



Tried again, hoping you got it this time :thumbsup:
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by FuzzyM » 14 Mar 2018, 8:40 pm

I bought a single set of SSAA spec rimfire silhouette targets from STS about a year ago.
They were doing them in batches.

When my Ruger Precision Rimfire eventually gets here I will hopefully shoot them more often.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by Corn » 15 Mar 2018, 8:02 pm

If it’s any help, this is a 12mm mild steel target hit with a Hornady 55gr projectile from a 223. The Hornady ammo box suggests 3240fps.
Target hit at 200m.
Mild steel is cost effective, but useless for longevity. (Well it is for the way I’m using it!)
The reverse side of the target shows the target surface is slightly blistered from the projectile impact.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by Gamerancher » 17 Mar 2018, 9:24 am

Yeah, that's why I said for mild, cast bullet loadings only. This target, ( made from mild steel ), has been in use for about 10 years and has been hit a lot with everything from .22RF to 560gr .45 cal bullets with blackpowder loads, ( admittedly from 385m ). The slight cratering that can be seen is from 175gr cast bullets going about 1700 f/s out of a .30-30. The fresh splashes on it are from 250gr cast bullets out of a .38-55 doing 1500 f/s from 150m. Nil cratering.

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High velocity, jacketed bullets need bisalloy targets for any sort of longevity.

Pretty sure Bladeracer is using cast bullet loadings.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by Bent Arrow » 08 Apr 2018, 4:54 pm

Can someone please tell me what the approximate size of the rimfire metallic silhouette targets is? I was having a good plinking session today and was getting a bit cocky so now I'm wondering roughly what size targets I need to be hitting at each distance. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by bladeracer » 08 Apr 2018, 6:30 pm

Bent Arrow wrote:Can someone please tell me what the approximate size of the rimfire metallic silhouette targets is? I was having a good plinking session today and was getting a bit cocky so now I'm wondering roughly what size targets I need to be hitting at each distance. Thanks in advance.


Very small :-)
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The 40m chicken is 65mm from nose to tail and 60mm tall, the "mass" is an oval 45mm wide by 27mm tall - roughly one-third of a .22LR box stood on end.
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The 60m pig is 110mm from nose to tail and 76mm tall, the mass being an oval 95mm wide by 50mm tall - slightly bigger than a .22LR box laid on its side.
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The 77m turkey is 100mm wide and 120mm tall, the mass being an oval 70mm wide by 50mm tall, but laying about 40-degrees from horizontal. A .22LR box on its side is about right.
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The 100m ram is 160mm nose to tail and 140mm tall, the mass being an oval 120mm wide by 60mm tall.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by bladeracer » 08 Apr 2018, 6:55 pm

Gamerancher wrote:Pretty sure Bladeracer is using cast bullet loadings.


I'm primarily using cast bullets against steel, but my half-scale silhouettes are BZ450 and they laugh at the 240gn JHP's.
I didn't see any rules disallowing jacketed bullets in Lever Action Silhouette - are we allowed to use jackets or do they have to be cast? Can they be copper plated Berry's?
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by deye243 » 08 Apr 2018, 7:40 pm

Gamerancher wrote:Just shoot cast lead at moderate velocities and you can get away with 10mm mild for all of your swingers.


I shoot 10mm mild steel with a 260R 7mm rem mag and a 300 win mag and no damage
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by bladeracer » 08 Apr 2018, 8:02 pm

deye243 wrote:
Gamerancher wrote:Just shoot cast lead at moderate velocities and you can get away with 10mm mild for all of your swingers.


I shoot 10mm mild steel with a 260R 7mm rem mag and a 300 win mag and no damage


Really?
My .204 goes through 8mm mild at 100m, and I even punched a 180gn cast 8x57mm bullet through it at 50m.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by deye243 » 08 Apr 2018, 8:35 pm

well try at a realistic range I start at 1000 yards this pic is my 7mm mag at 1026 yards

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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by Bent Arrow » 08 Apr 2018, 9:08 pm

Thanks bladeracer, much appreciated. I'm going to have to lift my game. On the upside, looks like I've now got a good use for empty 22 boxes :-).
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by bladeracer » 08 Apr 2018, 9:18 pm

Bent Arrow wrote:Thanks bladeracer, much appreciated. I'm going to have to lift my game. On the upside, looks like I've now got a good use for empty 22 boxes :-).


I save all my empty boxes - got a huge box full of them :-)
I struggle hitting the one-fifth-scale silhouettes even with the scope.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by perentie » 22 Apr 2018, 8:10 am

bladeracer wrote:Got some revised numbers back just now.
Half-scale, two of each animal, in Bisalloy450, all 6mm except the chicken which is 10mm - $848+GST.
Compared to:
"A set of eight half-scale targets (two of each animal) in 6mm mild steel is $230+GST".
Allowing for the two chickens being 66% thicker, it seems the biggest difference between Bisalloy450 and mild steel is about three times the price.


We are waiting for a quote from Kevin in NSW for a half set of half size but he estimates around $2000 delivered up here in SEQ. Thats in Bisaloy
Who is the Brisbane supplier as I would like another quote?
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by perentie » 26 Apr 2018, 8:06 am

perentie wrote:
bladeracer wrote:Got some revised numbers back just now.
Half-scale, two of each animal, in Bisalloy450, all 6mm except the chicken which is 10mm - $848+GST.
Compared to:
"A set of eight half-scale targets (two of each animal) in 6mm mild steel is $230+GST".
Allowing for the two chickens being 66% thicker, it seems the biggest difference between Bisalloy450 and mild steel is about three times the price.


We are waiting for a quote from Kevin in NSW for a half set of half size but he estimates around $2000 delivered up here in SEQ. Thats in Bisaloy
Who is the Brisbane supplier as I would like another quote?


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Is there a Brisbane supplier?
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by bladeracer » 26 Apr 2018, 7:23 pm

perentie wrote:
perentie wrote:
bladeracer wrote:Got some revised numbers back just now.
Half-scale, two of each animal, in Bisalloy450, all 6mm except the chicken which is 10mm - $848+GST.
Compared to:
"A set of eight half-scale targets (two of each animal) in 6mm mild steel is $230+GST".
Allowing for the two chickens being 66% thicker, it seems the biggest difference between Bisalloy450 and mild steel is about three times the price.


We are waiting for a quote from Kevin in NSW for a half set of half size but he estimates around $2000 delivered up here in SEQ. Thats in Bisaloy
Who is the Brisbane supplier as I would like another quote?


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Is there a Brisbane supplier?


Kevin White gave me prices as ex-Brisbane, even though he's in NSW.
Sterk is in Qld I think but he only does gongs.
I think your best bet is to talk to a local engineering firm that can water jet cut or laser cut them for you.
I can send you the drawings if you don't have them.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by perentie » 27 Apr 2018, 7:29 am

OK, thanks. I thought the Brisbane supplier was a different mob.
We have the drawings, thanks for the offer.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by bladeracer » 27 Apr 2018, 12:56 pm

perentie wrote:OK, thanks. I thought the Brisbane supplier was a different mob.
We have the drawings, thanks for the offer.


I don't know, I emailed a number of places, most either didn't respond or simply said they couldn't supply them.
I think the very limited market combined with the cost of freighting hundreds of kg of steel around the country works against us. Contact somebody local, preferably somebody that shoots. Clubs and dealers around your area might be able to put you onto somebody.

It's not at all out of the question to buy some new or old mild steel plate and cut them out with a gas torch or plasma, just don't shoot jacketed high-velocity loads at them.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by sungazer » 27 Apr 2018, 3:35 pm

i am really surprised the Sterk guy wouldn't do them for you. I mean he has the material and the equipment. How long would it take to put the drawing into the computer to cut out? He makes a very detailed bottle opener and has it cerakoted. I was really surprised by it. The silhouettes in comparison would be a walk in the park.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by bladeracer » 27 Apr 2018, 4:37 pm

sungazer wrote:i am really surprised the Sterk guy wouldn't do them for you. I mean he has the material and the equipment. How long would it take to put the drawing into the computer to cut out? He makes a very detailed bottle opener and has it cerakoted. I was really surprised by it. The silhouettes in comparison would be a walk in the park.


I finally found the message from when I contacted him on Ebay, before I discovered him on Facebook under a different name.

Looks like a cut & paste of what he told me on FB so I guess he gets asked a lot.
"...minimum cutting charge is around $80. im located in brisbane so weight is a killer for shipping cost."
Maybe he's wasted hours already doing quotes but not closing any deals because of the shipping, so he doesn't bother any more?
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by sungazer » 27 Apr 2018, 7:38 pm

I bought 8 smallish gongs from him, it wasn't too bad pretty cheap from memory. A few taken to plinkfest the makeshift hanging of them certainly broke with style before the gong. They had some serious energy released onto them.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by bladeracer » 27 Apr 2018, 9:08 pm

sungazer wrote:I bought 8 smallish gongs from him, it wasn't too bad pretty cheap from memory. A few taken to plinkfest the makeshift hanging of them certainly broke with style before the gong. They had some serious energy released onto them.


Yes, he bought a bulk lot of gongs that he's selling cheap.
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Re: Metallic Silhouette targets...again

Post by bladeracer » 25 Jan 2022, 4:26 pm

If it helps anybody, I sized the silhouettes to 10px per inch and placed them on a 2400x1200 (960x480px image size) sheet.

One pair (two of each animal so you can set one facing right and one left) at full-scale requires a three-quarter sheet - the offcut is about 750mm by 1200mm.
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One pair at full-scale and one pair at half-scale requires almost a full sheet - you have an offcut about 750mm-square.
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I'd expected the shapes would probably have been designed to neatly fit into standard sheets with minimal waste, but I can't work out the puzzle down to that level :-)
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