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New air rifle

Post by Daddybang » 16 May 2018, 6:46 pm

Ok so this might be a dumbass question but I've never owned a brand new rifle of any sort :P
Tomorrow I pick up a bsa break barrel air rifle in .177($180) do air rifles have a "run in" period??? :unknown:
It's purely for sh@ts and giggles along with the odd rat or myna bird eventually I'll be using it to teach the girl spawn the fundamentals of open sights :thumbsup:
Thanks for any advice in advance :drinks:
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Re: New air rifle

Post by in2anity » 16 May 2018, 7:44 pm

Daddybang wrote:Ok so this might be a dumbass question but I've never owned a brand new rifle of any sort :P
Tomorrow I pick up a bsa break barrel air rifle in .177($180) do air rifles have a "run in" period??? :unknown:
It's purely for sh@ts and giggles along with the odd rat or myna bird eventually I'll be using it to teach the girl spawn the fundamentals of open sights :thumbsup:
Thanks for any advice in advance :drinks:


Mate I think break-in has a minor benefit to target rifles - but I’m not sure if you’d be able to measure the accuracy gain on a knock/about springer. Just clean it well with the appropriate gear and go shoot. It might tighten a bit with time but I wouldn’t get too caught up with all that methodology in your situation
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Re: New air rifle

Post by marksman » 16 May 2018, 7:47 pm

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Post by Daddybang » 16 May 2018, 8:20 pm

Thanks heaps fellas I just learnt something! !!!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :drinks: :drinks: :drinks:
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Re: New air rifle

Post by Daddybang » 18 May 2018, 10:30 am

So picked the bsa scout up yesterday. Gave it a clean and put some grease on the pivot points then put six shots with winchester pellets thru it. Shots taken off hand at 25mt open sights. :thumbsup: :drinks:

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Re: New air rifle

Post by southwest shooter » 18 May 2018, 6:52 pm

Never broken in a rifle , when I told andriy soviet war hero and sniper he burst out laughing about this breaking in BS .
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Post by Daddybang » 18 May 2018, 7:15 pm

southwest shooter wrote:Never broken in a rifle , when I told andriy soviet war hero and sniper he burst out laughing about this breaking in BS .


Well I'm neither a sniper nor war hero so I'll take all the advice and advantage I can get!!! :lol: :drinks:
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Post by Tiger650 » 18 May 2018, 8:51 pm

Good move DB.
Get the young'n interested and she will learn important principles like follow through, can you think of anything with slower lock time than an air rifle ?
Also very cheap to shoot / practice with and I predict you will have an Indian Mynah shortage when she becomes competent.
Just my personal experience but if you can get your hands on some RWS Superpoint or better still SuperH point pellets you will find that the mynah birds drop most satisfactorily out to 30 metres.
I have always found that springer air rifles would not shoot off a rest, I reckon you need a hand under the forend, even if that hand is resting on something to reduce muscle tremors.
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Post by marksman » 18 May 2018, 9:30 pm

southwest shooter wrote:Never broken in a rifle , when I told andriy soviet war hero and sniper he burst out laughing about this breaking in BS .



Gale Mcmillan of Mcmillan rifles fame was the first person to call BS on the running in a rifle barrel that apparently was started by an Australian barrel maker he had taught how to make barrels, when he asked the Australian barrel maker why he put run in instructions for his barrels he was told that the Australian barrel market was not a big one and was mainly the benchrest crew so if he could get them to loose some of the barrel life by running them in he would make more money because he would be selling more barrels
http://www.6mmbr.com/gailmcmbreakin.html

IMO I have seen factory barrels that improved with a run in and it makes some people happy because they have done it so I cant see it a problem :unknown:
I only do a run in if my barrel is showing copper when new to burn off the burr causing it, the burr wont burn off if its covered in copper :crazy:

the run in for an air rifle is to get rid of the lubricants that are there from factory to stop the dieseling effect :thumbsup:

forgot to add, nice one Daddybang :drinks:
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Post by SCJ429 » 18 May 2018, 9:52 pm

Thanks for the link Marksman, funny thing is that all of the top shooters have a run in procedure and I read an interview with Dan Lilja on Accurate Shooter about barrel care and he runs his barrels in. I have noticed that copper fouling always settles down after a running in period. If you are a Hall of Fame shooter and you don't run your barrels in then the world may take notice. Not sure about air rifles but it cannot hurt.
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Re: New air rifle

Post by Daddybang » 19 May 2018, 6:53 am

Tiger650 wrote:Good move DB.
Get the young'n interested and she will learn important principles like follow through, can you think of anything with slower lock time than an air rifle ?
Also very cheap to shoot / practice with and I predict you will have an Indian Mynah shortage when she becomes competent.
Just my personal experience but if you can get your hands on some RWS Superpoint or better still SuperH point pellets you will find that the mynah birds drop most satisfactorily out to 30 metres.
I have always found that springer air rifles would not shoot off a rest, I reckon you need a hand under the forend, even if that hand is resting on something to reduce muscle tremors.


Thanks tiger will have to check out the pellets ya mentioned the winnies I've got are not real flash. I reckon the skirts are round on every fith pellet!!! :drinks:
The girl spawn turns four in September so there's a few years before I can legally teach her to shoot but they're never to young to start learning saftey.

SCJ429 wrote:. Not sure about air rifles but it cannot hurt.


Yep this is the way I'm thinking!!! :thumbsup:

the run in for an air rifle is to get rid of the lubricants that are there from factory to stop the dieseling effect :thumbsup:

forgot to add, nice one Daddybang :drinks:[/quote]

Thanks marksman !! :thumbsup:
I really appreciate the advice. . I must not have cleaned all the lubricant before shooting because I had a little bit of smoke come out the barrel on one of the shots...If I hadn't read the link ya posted I would have been a bit concerned/confused!!! :lol: :drinks:
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Re: New air rifle

Post by Daddybang » 19 May 2018, 10:41 am

First blood!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :drinks:

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Re: New air rifle

Post by Gaznazdiak » 19 May 2018, 11:08 am

I have a 40yo BSA Meteor .177, another Kmart purchase, and if it is humid I have seen a little smoke-like water vapour after firing.
Even more so lately as I have just replaced the spring, piston and seals making him as good as new.
Prometheus are also a very good pellet, they have a hard alloy centre and a plastic sabot and will go through corrugated iron at 20m like it's not there.
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Post by Daddybang » 19 May 2018, 11:33 am

I'll have to look at the prometheus..They look really interesting :thumbsup:
40years before it needs a refurbishment is great quality :drinks:
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Re: New air rifle

Post by NTSOG » 28 May 2018, 7:15 pm

G'day Daddybang,

H& N Field Target & Trophy pellets and Baracudas are very accurate. Pointed pellets are considered by some to be relatively inaccurate as are target pellets, e.g. Meisterkugeln, outside about 20 yards or so.

As others have said, keep the bore dry and clean of solvents lest you get dieseling. Lastly tuning the stock screws to an exact torque is generally necessary to keep groups small. Loctite is essential as break-barrels shake their bolts and screws loose. [I have a low power FeinWerkBau 127 in .22 that destroyed a new Bushnell Banner scope in 3 shots such is the effect of the double recoil at just 600 fps.]

The Weihrauch company specify the following and other makes will respond the same, e.g. I set the tension one of my Anschutz .177 air rifles the same as the Weihrauchs:

"The torque specifications are:
Front stock / rear trigger guard screws max. 2.5 Nm
Front trigger guard screw max. 5 Nm"

Nm converted into in-lbs & Ft Lbs:
2.5 Nm = 22.1 In Lbs = 1.8 Ft Lbs
5 Nm = 44.3 In Lbs = 3.7 Ft Lbs

As soon as any of my break-barrel air rifles starts shooting [spraying] groups larger than 3/4" at 30 yards or so I check all screws and bolts with a torque wrench and generally tighten the pivot bolt. [Ideally when the barrel is just ''broken" it should be tight enough at the pivot that it will just hold against gravity with the stock held horizontal.] It makes all the difference. There is a lot of information about bolt/screw tension on the Gateways to Airguns site, especially by a bloke called ''Motorhead" if you go looking.

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Re: New air rifle

Post by Daddybang » 28 May 2018, 7:32 pm

Thanks for the info NT :thumbsup:
I will run over the screws tomorrow and see if I can get hold of some of the pellets ya mentioned. I've been using it off hand with the open sights and have it hitting the bottom of a can on it's side at 25mtrs with gammo target pellets but I'm sure it can do better as I'm not great with open sights!!
Might throw a little scope on it one day!!! :D
Thanks again for the info!!! :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Re: New air rifle

Post by NTSOG » 29 May 2018, 9:53 am

I forgot to add don't bother with H&N Rabbit Magnums. They are great for hitting anywhere away from your point of aim. Apparently they are designed for the pressurized rifles which put out enough power to stabilise them in flight. By and large domed/rounded head pellets seem more accurate at longer distances.

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Re: New air rifle

Post by Supaduke » 29 May 2018, 3:32 pm

+1 for H&N Field target trophy. They are the bee's knees. I get ragged holes at 30m.
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