madang55 wrote:Didn't see it mentioned, but Nathan at Terminal Ballistics in New Zealand is one of the best sources of info on anything shooting I have ever come across.
madang55 wrote:Didn't see it mentioned, but Nathan at Terminal Ballistics in New Zealand is one of the best sources of info on anything shooting I have ever come across.
bigpete wrote:madang55 wrote:Didn't see it mentioned, but Nathan at Terminal Ballistics in New Zealand is one of the best sources of info on anything shooting I have ever come across.
I had a look on there and there was no info i could find in regards to my parameters
madang55 wrote:Knowledge base
Cartridge research
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25-06 is the 3rd one down
bigpete wrote:madang55 wrote:Didn't see it mentioned, but Nathan at Terminal Ballistics in New Zealand is one of the best sources of info on anything shooting I have ever come across.
I had a look on there and there was no info i could find in regards to my parameters
mickb wrote:bigpete wrote:madang55 wrote:Didn't see it mentioned, but Nathan at Terminal Ballistics in New Zealand is one of the best sources of info on anything shooting I have ever come across.
I had a look on there and there was no info i could find in regards to my parameters
Ive never been impressed with him, sorry to play devils advocate. I saw all the subsonic data on 357 and to me it looked as if he was talking as if first hand experience on the 357 XTP's. however he has them expanding at the same book velocities as XTP has them doing. Nope Hornadies figures are totally gooned up as anyone who plays with subsonics know( hornady data has xtp's expanding about 200-300fps slower than they really do,). I quizzed him on this by email and he backtracked on it. So I wondered how much of his data is stuff he has just read not actually put into practice...he has reams and reams of bullet combo/calibre opinions...
Oldbloke wrote:Yes there is.
bigrich wrote:mickb wrote:bigpete wrote:madang55 wrote:Didn't see it mentioned, but Nathan at Terminal Ballistics in New Zealand is one of the best sources of info on anything shooting I have ever come across.
I had a look on there and there was no info i could find in regards to my parameters
Ive never been impressed with him, sorry to play devils advocate. I saw all the subsonic data on 357 and to me it looked as if he was talking as if first hand experience on the 357 XTP's. however he has them expanding at the same book velocities as XTP has them doing. Nope Hornadies figures are totally gooned up as anyone who plays with subsonics know( hornady data has xtp's expanding about 200-300fps slower than they really do,). I quizzed him on this by email and he backtracked on it. So I wondered how much of his data is stuff he has just read not actually put into practice...he has reams and reams of bullet combo/calibre opinions...
yeah,i take opinions, especially on the internet, with a grain of salti've used his knowledge base as a guide with powder bullet combo's , and found him to be spot on with assessments on hunting cartridges i've used . especially with regards to performance on game . with regards to 180gn 357 xtp's , their dynamite on game under 40kg out of a 358win
. has the same effects on smallish pigs as a 22mag hp on a rabbit
mickb wrote:
The way he writes seems as if he wants the info to sound be his personal experience. I'd say he has a lot of personal experience, but he got caught out with pistol projectile subsonics and so with such comprehensive stories, I wonder how many are his. Since pulling him up on subsonics he took out the comments mirroriing hornadies optimistic figures and added this to both 357 and 44mag....
"Although I have witnessed various jacketed handgun projectiles produce expansion down to velocities as low as (and sometimes below) 900fps, wounding is generally very poor. Further to this, some projectiles simply will not expand at these speeds, regardless of manufacturers claims. For the purpose of humane killing, I would urge hunters to at the very least try to keep impact velocities above 1200fps and ideally above 1300fps"
So did my corrections suddenly became his experiences....
bigrich wrote:mickb wrote:
The way he writes seems as if he wants the info to sound be his personal experience. I'd say he has a lot of personal experience, but he got caught out with pistol projectile subsonics and so with such comprehensive stories, I wonder how many are his. Since pulling him up on subsonics he took out the comments mirroriing hornadies optimistic figures and added this to both 357 and 44mag....
"Although I have witnessed various jacketed handgun projectiles produce expansion down to velocities as low as (and sometimes below) 900fps, wounding is generally very poor. Further to this, some projectiles simply will not expand at these speeds, regardless of manufacturers claims. For the purpose of humane killing, I would urge hunters to at the very least try to keep impact velocities above 1200fps and ideally above 1300fps"
So did my corrections suddenly became his experiences....
or did your experiences become his corrections .......... sorry , i'm in a very "zen" mood
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i've found the bulk of his views and info helpful , but he wouldn't be the first "gun journo" or internet cowboy who's a bit egotisticaltake everything on the internet with a pinch of salt . except me , i'm a good bloke . just ask me , i'll tell ya ......
Blr243 wrote:Is a quarter bore a 6 or a 6.5 mm ?
bladeracer wrote:Blr243 wrote:Is a quarter bore a 6 or a 6.5 mm ?
.250" bore with .257" groove diameter so just slightly smaller than 6.5mm (bore diameter - .264" groove diameter).
I've never owned any .25's but I'm looking a .25-.303 SMLE tomorrow.
mickb wrote:bigrich wrote:mickb wrote:
The way he writes seems as if he wants the info to sound be his personal experience. I'd say he has a lot of personal experience, but he got caught out with pistol projectile subsonics and so with such comprehensive stories, I wonder how many are his. Since pulling him up on subsonics he took out the comments mirroriing hornadies optimistic figures and added this to both 357 and 44mag....
"Although I have witnessed various jacketed handgun projectiles produce expansion down to velocities as low as (and sometimes below) 900fps, wounding is generally very poor. Further to this, some projectiles simply will not expand at these speeds, regardless of manufacturers claims. For the purpose of humane killing, I would urge hunters to at the very least try to keep impact velocities above 1200fps and ideally above 1300fps"
So did my corrections suddenly became his experiences....
or did your experiences become his corrections .......... sorry , i'm in a very "zen" mood
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i've found the bulk of his views and info helpful , but he wouldn't be the first "gun journo" or internet cowboy who's a bit egotisticaltake everything on the internet with a pinch of salt . except me , i'm a good bloke . just ask me , i'll tell ya ......
His issues seem to be to be at the extreme ends, eg very slow or very big cals/game and he is pulling more guesswork
eg Comments on 338 lapua for hunting
"Below 2600fps, the .338 bore loses the ability to create hydrostatic shock and can produce slow kills on both light and heavy game"
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I think someone running a 340 wby or 338 win mag on pigs or deer needs to email in and 'correct some more experiences' for him
Blr243 wrote:Is a quarter bore a 6 or a 6.5 mm ?
mickb wrote:Fair points mate .it was the standalone comment that 2600fps( and thats impact btw, not starting!) in 338 loses the ability to create hydrostatic shock is what got me, its just not correct. As to 338 and 340wby he was the one talking the 338 cals on light game. Your post made good sense btw,
deye243 wrote:Blr243 wrote:Is a quarter bore a 6 or a 6.5 mm ?
Well having a 2506 and a 260r and after several years and hundreds of kills on both I would say the 25 is closer to the 6mm on terminal performance.
Just my observations but both are to hard even with vmax pills for flat country with stock and small critters like hairs and fox's as the pill is leaving way before it has dumped its energy and either blown or expanded , for safety sake a 6mm is way better and my 2506 with a 75 vmax is cruising along at 3800fps.
Now all my 243s with a 65g vmax were outstanding performing setups in flat country with 65g vmax at 3820fps with great paddock pizza ability compared to the 2506 and as for the 260 with 95g vmax forget it they are too hard at around 3300fps .