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454 casull Rossi 92

Post by mickb » 04 Feb 2025, 5:26 pm

Fairly random luck, was mulling over a new gun and found one going for private sale for at or around what they came in for. I recall around 2015 or so some were being advertised by Cleavers and a few other shops, which is the vintage of this gun - some old bloke bought it to match a 454 revolver he had, about 40 rounds of the rossi is all he fired.

Its the later generation offering I think with the beefed up magazine tube, second load gate on the tube, and I believe these were also threaded into the reciever for more strength. Is it just me or does the stock look thicker and more reinforced than a regular rossi 92 too? . Sellers photos, still waiting for it to arrive.
Grain doesnt look to bad, the old brazilian rubberwood tree can be a bit hit and miss for appearances. :)

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Re: 454 casull Rossi 92

Post by Billo » 04 Feb 2025, 7:39 pm

I do love a bit of Brazilian Walnut, yes the timber looks a little thicker than normal, good find mickb, seems reasonably priced considering new they are $1144 new from Safari when in stock.
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Post by mickb » 04 Feb 2025, 8:14 pm

Thanks Billo. Seems to be enough components around to have a play.

Btw I just saw a stainless Rossi 92 480 ruger go on gunbroker in the US for over 2500USD! There were only ever a hundred made. had considered bringing one at some point myself but that price would be around 5k landed here. Always wondered if any made it into Australia in the day, Cleavers had them advertised in the 2010's, but not sure if actual stock existed.
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Post by Obie73 » 04 Feb 2025, 9:43 pm

Looks beautiful! I'm sure it will be a lot of fun to shoot.

Hooray for a lever action thread!! Not enough of them.

I don't care for anything other than lever actions. Bolt actions and scopes ... nah, not interested. Perhaps there should be a dedicated lever action section at enoughgun.com
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Re: 454 casull Rossi 92

Post by mickb » 04 Feb 2025, 10:37 pm

have to admit I have switched over to lever actions in recent years myself. Easier to carry, scabbard, shoot mobs, load subsonics. very popular in the north on pigs. Of course there are things only a highpowered bolt action can do.
A lever action subforum might have worked back when the site was kicking. Im not sure there is enough traffic now?

On that note wtf happened here gents, or is everyone just using facebook pages these days :unknown:
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Post by bigrich » 05 Feb 2025, 4:02 am

I’ve had Rossi lever guns in 357 mag, most accurate lever guns I’ve owned. If you get one from a good production year I rate them as slicker better guns than marlins. However in 454 cassul their strength is marginal. Get onto “Paco Kelly” lever gun forum for more information. Cheers
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Post by mickb » 05 Feb 2025, 4:29 pm

hi bigrich, yes also a member over there. Agree the 454 in Rossi being marginal is not an inaccurate statement :) . More to do with the rest of the gun holding up (I think) than action strength. I dont think any have ever let go.,,but plenty of reports of furnishings and various screws loosening up...

Paco for the record didn't mind his Rossi in 454, hes too old too shoot anymore now. Mic McPherson the editor of cartridges of the world on the other hand wasnt impressed. He got sent one to work over and I recall seeing the report the customer posted on the internet and it was a long list of replacements and adjustments..

I wont run mine full tilt, dont really have the powders for it.. Alliant 2400 gets to about 85% full power and Vihta N110 to about 90-95%, staying around 50-55kpsi will do me.. I dont have Win296 or 300-MP which can go crazy speeds
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Post by Blr243 » 05 Feb 2025, 8:58 pm

In two weeks I’m heading for the hills. Taking my Rossi 357 , browning lever 243 , and marlin 4570. Two weeks of pig hunting lever action heaven
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Post by mickb » 05 Feb 2025, 9:31 pm

Nice one BLR! What sort of loads you running in the 45-70?

I was just looking at factory and load data for the 454 casull, you get an idea of the stress it places on things. Some of the custom ammo makers say" only use the brass once for high pressure loads, then relegate it to 45 colt levels for future reloads" :wtf:

Hornday factory 300XTP, 1650fps from a revolver, chronies normally 2000fps from a carbine.
Hornady factory 300gn DG solid, 1820fps from a revolver(!), at a guess it must run 2100fps+ from a carbine, 3000ftlbs, thats 444marlin power
Hodglon load data, 240JSP 2030fps from a revolver(!), must go 2350fps from the carbine, equals 444 factory load
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Post by bigrich » 06 Feb 2025, 6:27 pm

mickb wrote:hi bigrich, yes also a member over there. Agree the 454 in Rossi being marginal is not an inaccurate statement :) . More to do with the rest of the gun holding up (I think) than action strength. I dont think any have ever let go.,,but plenty of reports of furnishings and various screws loosening up...

Paco for the record didn't mind his Rossi in 454, hes too old too shoot anymore now. Mic McPherson the editor of cartridges of the world on the other hand wasnt impressed. He got sent one to work over and I recall seeing the report the customer posted on the internet and it was a long list of replacements and adjustments..

I wont run mine full tilt, dont really have the powders for it.. Alliant 2400 gets to about 85% full power and Vihta N110 to about 90-95%, staying around 50-55kpsi will do me.. I dont have Win296 or 300-MP which can go crazy speeds


i've owned a couple of levers and the rossi pre safety are a good thing . even had one in 357 with the 24" octagonal barrel . very well made and very accurate shame the timber they put on them isn't nicer though . i haven't hunted with any , as i prefer something with more reach . i was talking to a fella a few years ago who reckoned he preferred the 357 for pigs over the 44mag . suppose it depends on how big the pigs are , but i found 357mag in a lever gun very accurate . the rossi in 454cassul is a bit of a unicorn , they didn't make them for long . the 454 cassul is used for bear protection and according to wikki , has 75% mor recoil than the 44mag . sounds like a beast in a light little rossi . probably give BLR's 45-70 a run for it's money..... :D
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Post by mickb » 06 Feb 2025, 9:03 pm

Yes I reckon it will kick bigrich. Regards the 454 Rossi actually has them in production again since late 2023. Seems to have been 3-4 main production periods as far I can tell. The original in the early 2000's, then they were overhauled with the heavier mag tube with load gate and threaded to the reciever and wider stock some time in the late 2000's. Im not sure if they went out of production and back in again or it was continuance as I know Cleavers had them for sale in 2015, Then this run , after a break of 5-6 years or so according to the yank forums.
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Post by bigrich » 07 Feb 2025, 3:50 am

They’re making them again, that’s good news. I’d expect as you say, an improved version. Variety is the spice of life and a Rossi in 454 will definitely be spicy
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Post by Obie73 » 07 Feb 2025, 7:40 am

I bought a new Rossi 92 in 357mag a couple of years ago and had to return it. They gave me another of the same model but same problem so gave me my money back. The chambers must have been too wide at the head of the cartridge or the headspace out as the brass was bulging out a bit, with standard factory ammo, on the fired brass. Wasn't impressed.
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Post by straightshooter » 07 Feb 2025, 8:05 am

I understand the "mine is bigger than yours" aspect of this thread.
I have never shot game at the muzzle so bearing in mind the 44 gallon drum shape of the projectiles involved what is the real world difference at 50 meters or 100 meters. Is it enough to to get sufficiently excited about to replace my 44 Magnum? I really doubt it.
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Post by bigrich » 08 Feb 2025, 2:41 pm

Obie73 wrote:I bought a new Rossi 92 in 357mag a couple of years ago and had to return it. They gave me another of the same model but same problem so gave me my money back. The chambers must have been too wide at the head of the cartridge or the headspace out as the brass was bulging out a bit, with standard factory ammo, on the fired brass. Wasn't impressed.


sad to hear you got not one, but two duds . find a earlier production rossi without the safety on top of the bolt and they can be a really good thing :thumbsup:
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Post by bigrich » 08 Feb 2025, 2:46 pm

straightshooter wrote:I understand the "mine is bigger than yours" aspect of this thread.
I have never shot game at the muzzle so bearing in mind the 44 gallon drum shape of the projectiles involved what is the real world difference at 50 meters or 100 meters. Is it enough to to get sufficiently excited about to replace my 44 Magnum? I really doubt it.


44mag is more than enough for anything in this country under 100 meters in my opinion . those fat projectiles out of 44's and 45-70 don't really have the ballistics for downrange energy , but at "pig" distances they can be quite a hammer :)
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Post by mickb » 08 Feb 2025, 3:13 pm

straightshooter wrote:I understand the "mine is bigger than yours" aspect of this thread.
I have never shot game at the muzzle so bearing in mind the 44 gallon drum shape of the projectiles involved what is the real world difference at 50 meters or 100 meters. Is it enough to to get sufficiently excited about to replace my 44 Magnum? I really doubt it.


Similar real world difference the 444 marlin has over the 44 mag, being the 454 is close to 444 factory power in a rifle.

Whether someone thinks the 444's ballistics have a place in the world is up to them, but I know a lot of happy owners.
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Post by mickb » 08 Feb 2025, 3:35 pm

bigrich wrote:
straightshooter wrote:I understand the "mine is bigger than yours" aspect of this thread.
I have never shot game at the muzzle so bearing in mind the 44 gallon drum shape of the projectiles involved what is the real world difference at 50 meters or 100 meters. Is it enough to to get sufficiently excited about to replace my 44 Magnum? I really doubt it.


44mag is more than enough for anything in this country under 100 meters in my opinion . those fat projectiles out of 44's and 45-70 don't really have the ballistics for downrange energy , but at "pig" distances they can be quite a hammer :)


The 444 does alright out there though mate, its a legitimate 200 yard gun. An extra 300-400fps at the muzzle over the 44mag makes a difference.
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Post by bigrich » 08 Feb 2025, 4:33 pm

mickb wrote:
bigrich wrote:
straightshooter wrote:I understand the "mine is bigger than yours" aspect of this thread.
I have never shot game at the muzzle so bearing in mind the 44 gallon drum shape of the projectiles involved what is the real world difference at 50 meters or 100 meters. Is it enough to to get sufficiently excited about to replace my 44 Magnum? I really doubt it.


44mag is more than enough for anything in this country under 100 meters in my opinion . those fat projectiles out of 44's and 45-70 don't really have the ballistics for downrange energy , but at "pig" distances they can be quite a hammer :)


The 444 does alright out there though mate, its a legitimate 200 yard gun. An extra 300-400fps at the muzzle over the 44mag makes a difference.


i don't doubt it . 444 is a hammer on both ends i've heard ;) i had a marlin 45-70 for a time , wasn't for me . i prefer having more reach for the country i hunt

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Post by Blr243 » 08 Feb 2025, 5:36 pm

Mick I can’t exactly remember the loads I’ll be taking bush this time. When I first bought my 4570 I loaded up some sierra hp and some ftx They were full proper loads. Then I went bush on a few trips with all sorts of reduced loads for a while. But none of the latter will be used this time. I’m just gunna do with it what the gun was built for decades ago , and have a bit of fun.
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Post by mickb » 08 Feb 2025, 5:49 pm

bigrich wrote:
mickb wrote:
bigrich wrote:
straightshooter wrote:I understand the "mine is bigger than yours" aspect of this thread.
I have never shot game at the muzzle so bearing in mind the 44 gallon drum shape of the projectiles involved what is the real world difference at 50 meters or 100 meters. Is it enough to to get sufficiently excited about to replace my 44 Magnum? I really doubt it.


44mag is more than enough for anything in this country under 100 meters in my opinion . those fat projectiles out of 44's and 45-70 don't really have the ballistics for downrange energy , but at "pig" distances they can be quite a hammer :)


The 444 does alright out there though mate, its a legitimate 200 yard gun. An extra 300-400fps at the muzzle over the 44mag makes a difference.


i don't doubt it . 444 is a hammer on both ends i've heard ;) i had a marlin 45-70 for a time , wasn't for me . i prefer having more reach for the country i hunt

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yeah there is a big difference between 200 yards and max bolt action range :thumbsup:
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Post by Blr243 » 08 Feb 2025, 7:33 pm

I’m always in the dark sneaking up to 30 m and mostly shooting offhand so I never need range for pigs foxes and cats . Shooting Roos off the quad is different then I always use a 223/243/270
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